56 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

I imagine, for a time, at least, she was stuck on Malachor.

Higley doubtful. If Vader and Maul was able to instantly find a way off. Then so could have ahsoka.

1 minute ago, Cifer said:

Pretty much the only option would be between their big **** kiss and Hera leaving for Yavin, I guess.

Nope, because she leaves immediately after that kiss.

3 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Hybrids are certainly not new to Star Wars. There have been others in the movies and old EU as well. My only question with this kid is when did Hera and Kanaan actually “do it”?

That, and a hybrid twelick has no brain tails and human skin coloring?

1 minute ago, Arrakus said:

That, and a hybrid twelick has no brain tails and human skin coloring?

Well, he did have naturally green hair; certainly not a normal human hair color. I simply chalk that up to the father’s genes being more dominant.

19 minutes ago, Daronil said:

Personally, I've always found the whole interspecies thing a bit...off colour? I mean, I'm more closely related to a jellyfish than I am to a Betazoid...

Logic suggests that you’re more closely related to a species you can interbreed with than one you can barely have intercourse with in even the most technical (yet completely impractical) sense...

I’m not getting into a discussion on the possibility of intelligent design behind the different species in a fictional galaxy, nor the remoteness of the chance of biologically compatible life forms developing independently from one another on different planets in different systems, but given how similar a lot of the humanoid species look it’d seem weird none of them could be able to interbreed. As a regular, real-life human I know the reason for this is that it’s a movie universe and that it’s easier to have species that humans can be made to look like with make-up only (not to mention all being able to use similar tools, weapons and vehicles), but that’s meta knowledge.

It should also be mentioned that in one of the short stories in the old Tales from the Mos Eisely Cantina that it was stated that if members of two species found each other sexually attractive enough to want to mate, there was a strong possibility that they would be genetically compatible enough to produce a child. Whether that child, in turn, could have children is another matter however.

Personally I'm more concerned about how this kid is gonna turn out and where he is going to eventually fall on the morality scale when he grows up.

I mean, Jacen isn't exactly a name with a strong light side history in Star Wars.

21 minutes ago, nameless ronin said:

Logic suggests that you’re more closely related to a species you can interbreed with than one you can barely have intercourse with in even the most technical (yet completely impractical) sense...

Well, not biological logic. Me and a jellyfish evolved on the same planet, with the same four-base-pairs DNA, from a common ancestor. A humanoid evolving on another planet entirely doesn't share that common ancestry. A Twi'lek and a Human, for example (logically, or BIOlogically ) are only superficially similar for the same reason sharks and dolphins are superficially similar.

42 minutes ago, Cifer said:

Pretty much the only option would be between their big **** kiss and Hera leaving for Yavin, I guess.

Between A New Dawn and contextual statements and actions throughout the series, it was pretty strongly insinuated (as much as could be on a "kids' cartoon") that they'd been "friends with benefits" for quite a while. The recent change was their admitting to the emotional bond.

21 minutes ago, Daronil said:

Well, not biological logic. Me and a jellyfish evolved on the same planet, with the same four-base-pairs DNA, from a common ancestor. A humanoid evolving on another planet entirely doesn't share that common ancestry. A Twi'lek and a Human, for example (logically, or BIOlogically ) are only superficially similar for the same reason sharks and dolphins are superficially similar.

You base your argument on the fact that the chance of biologically similar species developing without common ancestor is so slim it might as well be nonexistent. I’d argue the chances of different species looking almost exactly alike, down to fingernails and eyelashes, without common ancestor is just as small. Sharks and dolphins are superficially similar because they live in the exact same environment.

Your example was jellyfish vs Betazoid. Betazoids, however unlikely, can interbreed with humans canonically in the Trek universe. Humans may not be related to Betazoids in the sense of sharing an ancestor, but biologically they must be incredibly similar - much, much more so than humans and jellyfish.

Edit: actually, I’d say it’s more likely that species that can interbreed despite having developed on completely different planets somehow, as impossible as it seems, share a common ancestor than not.

43 minutes ago, Arrakus said:

Higley doubtful. If Vader and Maul was able to instantly find a way off. Then so could have ahsoka.

Maul took an Inquisitor's TIE. Vader likely took his own or an Inquisitor TIE. Ahsoka headed down into the doorway we saw. And she knew, from her meeting with Ezra in the World Between Worlds, that they presumed she'd died there; she had a couple of years that she knew she had to stay out of history's way.

7 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Maul took an Inquisitor's TIE. Vader likely took his own or an Inquisitor TIE. Ahsoka headed down into the doorway we saw. And she knew, from her meeting with Ezra in the World Between Worlds, that they presumed she'd died there; she had a couple of years that she knew she had to stay out of history's way.

8th Brother arrived in an Inquisitor TIE, Vader in his TIE Advanced, 5th Brother and 7th Sister in their TIEs, the Ghost crew in the Phantom. Maul left in 8th's TIE, the Ghost crew takes the Phantom, and Vader leaves in his TIE. This leaves the TIEs 5th and 7th arrived in, meaning Ahsoka could leave whenever she wanted.

I'm quite happy about Thrawn's comment about any Jedi being left in the galaxy.

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What's left are a scattered, frightened lot, mostly beaten and in hiding or poorly trained children, like yourself.

He might as well have called them PCs.

1 minute ago, Ireul said:

8th Brother arrived in an Inquisitor TIE, Vader in his TIE Advanced, 5th Brother and 7th Sister in their TIEs, the Ghost crew in the Phantom. Maul left in 8th's TIE, the Ghost crew takes the Phantom, and Vader leaves in his TIE. This leaves the TIEs 5th and 7th arrived in, meaning Ahsoka could leave whenever she wanted.

Which is where the last part of my post comes in: from her meeting with Ezra in the World Between Worlds, she knew that they presumed she'd died there; she had a couple of years that she knew she had to stay out of history's way.

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Which is where the last part of my post comes in: from her meeting with Ezra in the World Between Worlds, she knew that they presumed she'd died there; she had a couple of years that she knew she had to stay out of history's way.

Yeah, I probably should have quoted the other guy; I was just expanding on your point, not disagreeing.

2 hours ago, LordBritish said:

I imagine ground shields largely act as plot armour. E.g. if a planet has a planetary shield, it's neigh on impossible to break without a more conventional assault.

Alternatively I imagine the building itself has a lot of armour, thus disabling that shield is difficult without a full and prolonged bombardment. So while it isn't exactly invulnerable to fire, it's very hard to shift unless you chuck a lot of fire into it. I would probably give it a sil 6 pressence, the 4 setback dice and one /two upgrades to the difficulty check, just to represent the possibility of missing and striking the surrounding city

Hmmm...I'm thinking it'll need to be bigger than a sil 6. An ISD is sil 8. At first, I thought 8 would be fine for the dome, too. I'd recalled it being pretty much the same size as the Chimaera. But, I went looking through the episode for reference, saw this shot of them pulling up the holo of the Chimaera parked above the dome.

I might have to go with 9, based on this.

36 minutes ago, nameless ronin said:

You base your argument on the fact that the chance of biologically similar species developing without common ancestor is so slim it might as well be nonexistent. I’d argue the chances of different species looking almost exactly alike, down to fingernails and eyelashes, without common ancestor is just as small. Sharks and dolphins are superficially similar because they live in the exact same environment.

Your example was jellyfish vs Betazoid. Betazoids, however unlikely, can interbreed with humans canonically in the Trek universe. Humans may not be related to Betazoids in the sense of sharing an ancestor, but biologically they must be incredibly similar - much, much more so than humans and jellyfish.

Edit: actually, I’d say it’s more likely that species that can interbreed despite having developed on completely different planets somehow, as impossible as it seems, share a common ancestor than not.

Well, that was kind of my point: sharks and dolphins demonstrate convergent evolution - same environment, same adaptations. So Humans and Twi'leks (or Betazoids) are also superficially similar because they evolved in similar environments and similar ecological niches. Betazoids can interbreed with humans - yes. So can Vulcans, and Cardassians can interbreed with Bajorans, and Klingons with Trill, and so on. My point is precisely that this is a series conceit - it's not even remotely biologically possible. ****, Vulcans have a completely different physiology, right down to copper-based haemoglobin, rather than iron-based.

My jellyfish example was to demonstrate that just because something looks superficially similar doesn't mean it's related, and that organisms that are related can look completely different.

On your last point, Star Trek kind of addressed that in the episode The Chase, where it was revealed that an ancient humanoid "progenitor" civilisation seeded many worlds in the galaxy with their own DNA. It was an attempt to explain the superficial similarity between Humans, Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc. Of course, it's silly on at least two levels:

1. It makes the typical Hollywood-esque mistake and takes a view of evolution as somehow directed towards an end goal, which is nonsense. It just proceeds with whatever works. That's why we have about five million species on this planet alone.

2. Related to #1, it's just plain silly to assume that throwing some "humanoid" DNA into the primordial soup is going to produce humanoids. Since it also produced everything from E. coli bacteria to birch trees, Tyrannasaurus rex, and elephants, it's a pretty big crapshoot to assume it's going to eventually produce humans (or Vulcans, or Klingons...).

Of course, the whole debate is really irrelevant, because we're dealing with fictional universes with fictional rules. I was just making an initial idle comment that it always struck me as a bit odd that someone would want to have sex with an organism that they were so completely, unutterably removed from, from a biological perspective.

So is Sabine a sister looking for her brother, in search for her BFF or a love interest? Season 1 eluded to Ezra's attraction to Sabine, but in the final season it seemed more like a family/sister thing. However, in the epilogue she adopted his hair cut and was the only one out of the original crew who set off to find him (w/Ahsoka). Not that big of deal, but to me, it is interesting.

Another thought, is it possible/feasible that Ahsoka is a live during Epi 7-9? She would be wicked old, but it *could* be possible.....

Sure it’s feasible.

8 minutes ago, Arrakus said:

So is Sabine a sister looking for her brother, in search for her BFF or a love interest? Season 1 eluded to Ezra's attraction to Sabine, but in the final season it seemed more like a family/sister thing. However, in the epilogue she adopted his hair cut and was the only one out of the original crew who set off to find him (w/Ahsoka). Not that big of deal, but to me, it is interesting.

I believe it was at the Rebels panel at Celebration Orlando that Filoni said they'd since started patterning Ezra and Sabine's interactions after the off-screen, sibling-like banter between Taylor Gray and Tiya Sircar. Going further, in the finale's Rebels Recon, he said something to the effect that, while he understood people's impulse to "ship" Ezra and Sabine because they were close in age in the group, the production staff had opted to show that they could work together, rely on one another, and be close without having to have a romantic relationship between them.

1 hour ago, Daronil said:

Of course, the whole debate is really irrelevant, because we're dealing with fictional universes with fictional rules. I was just making an initial idle comment that it always struck me as a bit odd that someone would want to have sex with an organism that they were so completely, unutterably removed from, from a biological perspective.

Beastiality happens in real life. And while people share more DNA with say, sheep than with Twi’lek sex with the latter seems a more alluring prospect than with the former for most people. We can recognize ourselves in near-humanoids (or we could if near-humanoids were a thing, you know what I mean). Heck, we could probably recognize more of ourselves in pretty much any sentient species far enough evolved that we can communicate with them directly than in sheep. Near-humans also have body traits we find sexually attractive in humans: I think Twi’lek boobs are more of a turn-on than those of a sow (even if a sow has more of them), for instance. Near-humans kiss like we do. We can look into their eyes and they (often, not always) are reminiscent of human eyes. Their general body shape is similar to ours. They have hands we can hold. If we close our eyes, we might not even be able to tell the difference. Yet having a common ancestor literally millions of years ago should trump that?

56 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

I believe it was at the Rebels panel at Celebration Orlando that Filoni said they'd since started patterning Ezra and Sabine's interactions after the off-screen, sibling-like banter between Taylor Gray and Tiya Sircar. Going further, in the finale's Rebels Recon, he said something to the effect that, while he understood people's impulse to "ship" Ezra and Sabine because they were close in age in the group, the production staff had opted to show that they could work together, rely on one another, and be close without having to have a romantic relationship between them.

Fair enough.

Its an ASTRONOMICAL chance (challenge for @Absol197) of it happening but if the species evolved with the same ATCG base pair proteins AND had exactly 46 chromosomes made from those pairs, you would actually have a viable Human/Twi'lek hybrid who could reproduce and would have no (Barring abnormalities that we cant predict due to genome compatibility) inherent problems being born. Technically you can make a human/ape hybrid it just will be sterile and have problems with excess genome pairs. We can already see this in the Tiger/Lion hybrids Ligers/Tigons (Interestingly they actually show greater growth than either true species according to the wiki). So given the random things that often happen in Star Wars with stuff being destined to happen its psudo-scientifically possible.

31 minutes ago, SithArissa said:

Its an ASTRONOMICAL chance (challenge for @Absol197) of it happening but if the species evolved with the same ATCG base pair proteins AND had exactly 46 chromosomes made from those pairs, you would actually have a viable Human/Twi'lek hybrid who could reproduce and would have no (Barring abnormalities that we cant predict due to genome compatibility) inherent problems being born. Technically you can make a human/ape hybrid it just will be sterile and have problems with excess genome pairs. We can already see this in the Tiger/Lion hybrids Ligers/Tigons (Interestingly they actually show greater growth than either true species according to the wiki). So given the random things that often happen in Star Wars with stuff being destined to happen its psudo-scientifically possible.

DON'T BE RUDE, ARISSA >_< !!! I'm waiting until it hits DVD to see the last season, so don't mention me in this thread! MY OCD makes it VERY HARD to not read your entire post...