That attitude is so ingrained that even with all the risks and trouble, Kanan modified his lightsaber to carry it "hidden in plain sight".

It's basic to any profession where you carry weapons for a living, never mind a way of life. You maintain your weapon.

The lightsaber aside for a minute. This kid levitates stuff all the time, takes over the mind of a AT-ST pilot at range, fought Inquisitors, but apparently when Zeb is trying to force open a door on their own ship he isn't much help....

No tools in the cargo bay? A manual control for closing the one door but not for opening the rest?.....

Sorry, this episode was lame as hell...

2 hours ago, MaxKilljoy said:

How they design a ship in such a way that the system for compiling data can "compromise the fuel cells".

Everything is possible in a world with limited budgets, murderous superiors, and no OSHA.

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

Everything is possible in a world with limited budgets, murderous superiors, and no OSHA.

So we're back to the audience having to come up with reasons why something in a fictional work might be plausible, rather than the work itself making that aspect self-evidently plausible.

7 hours ago, MaxKilljoy said:

So we're back to the audience having to come up with reasons why something in a fictional work might be plausible, rather than the work itself making that aspect self-evidently plausible.

All of what I mentioned is from the show and the movies. As is the proximate reason why the ship is destroyed. I didn't have to come up with them; I simply paid attention and listed them.

I simply reject them because they trip my inane-o-meter and hurt my suspension of disbelief in Star Wars. Rebels does this repeatedly, and I'm unable to take it seriously as a source for my games (much as I cannot take TFA seriously either).

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

All of what I mentioned is from the show and the movies. As is the proximate reason why the ship is destroyed. I didn't have to come up with them; I simply paid attention and listed them.

Right.

Really doesn't change the fact that you're digging for answers, and most of what you're piecing together doesn't make any sense once one actually stops to think about it.

"Lost containment of the fuel cells"... really? Because of an issue with the intelligence-gathering computers? What is this, Star Trek? Are the consoles on the bridge going to start blowing up every time the ship gets nicked in combat, now?

The very fact that we're having this conversation at all, is the total necessary proof that the episode in question was a failure in this context. The moment someone had to say "I think it was this", the moment we started having to speculate how the ship blew up, that was it.

25 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

Right.

Really doesn't change the fact that you're digging for answers, and most of what you're piecing together doesn't make any sense once one actually stops to think about it.

I'm not digging. It's based on dialogue from the show, and long-established facts from the movies and the show. That I didn't have to spend any time at all realizing these things is evidence that the show was right in not spending more time on them.

25 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

"Lost containment of the fuel cells"... really? Because of an issue with the intelligence-gathering computers?

Because of the electric discharges covering the ship.

25 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

The very fact that we're having this conversation at all, is the total necessary proof that the episode in question was a failure in this context. The moment someone had to say "I think it was this", the moment we started having to speculate how the ship blew up, that was it.

The episode tells us what happened. That someone didn't catch a bit of dialogue or action and got confused isn't a problem with the show.

So electrical discharges across the skin of the ship causes the fuel cells to fail spectacularly. Watch out for ion cannons...

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

I'm not digging. It's based on dialogue from the show, and long-established facts from the movies and the show. That I didn't have to spend any time at all realizing these things is evidence that the show was right in not spending more time on them.

Because of the electric discharges covering the ship.

The episode tells us what happened. That someone didn't catch a bit of dialogue or action and got confused isn't a problem with the show.

So when has a ship in Star Wars ever been blown up by "random electrical discharges" causing "loss of containment" of the "fuel cells"?

When have ion cannons ever caused a ship to blow up?

Isn't the point of an ion cannon that it disables the target ship without causing massive damage?

What's an ion cannon if not a "massive electrical discharge"?

These "long established facts from the movies and show" don't appear to support your apologetics for the episode.

I agree that blowing up the ship didn't fit the story very well. I think it unnecessarily reduced the danger the empire poses by making their ships (once again) this vulnerable. And I actually liked this villain of the week and would have liked to see him again. I'm sad they wasted him like that (Unless...Escape Pod...?!). It would have been great if Hera just fried his Cyber Brain and he would start a personal vendetta, slowly changing his personality from cold and calculating to vengeful and irrational. He was a very unique character, intelligent, cold and calculating character, in a way similar to Thrawn, but with the total lack of creativity. I liked the ship design, too.

I would like this to not just be a filler, so maybe Commander Cyber Brain survived and will meet Hera later on. Could be fun, since she seems to unaware that she wrecked his entire ship.... And when he confronts her, she would be like "what? THAT fried your fuel confinement? What kind of lunatic did the wiring on your ship?!"

Probably a filler, though.

But well, it is a kids' show, so I don't think it's a big deal. And I feel that the Clone Wars series missed much bigger opportunities.

In game terms I would say, that Hera's player rolled like 3 Triumphs on her roll for the attempt to fry the ship's memory banks (guess Hera might have 2 ranks in Computers + 1 LSDP). So GM D.F. was iike "Yeah, so I guess your feedback not only fries the memory banks, but due to a faulty wiring the containment of the fuel cells is also overcharged and the whole thing explodes..."
Hera's player: "And Chopper's back-up kicks in."
GM D.F.: "Yeah, that's a much better idea for your triumphs, lets use that!"
Hera's player: "No, I meant in addition to the ship exploding!"
GM D.F.: "..."

30 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

So when has a ship in Star Wars ever been blown up by "random electrical discharges" causing "loss of containment" of the "fuel cells"?

In this very episode, of course.

That we've not seen it happen before doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

30 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

When have ion cannons ever caused a ship to blow up?

Isn't the point of an ion cannon that it disables the target ship without causing massive damage?

What's an ion cannon if not a "massive electrical discharge"?

These "long established facts from the movies and show" don't appear to support your apologetics for the episode.

Since no ion cannons were involved, this is all unrelated to the discussion.

1 hour ago, HappyDaze said:

So electrical discharges across the skin of the ship causes the fuel cells to fail spectacularly. Watch out for ion cannons...

The episode shows energy discharges inside the ship, too.

1 hour ago, Stan Fresh said:

In this very episode, of course.

That we've not seen it happen before doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

Since no ion cannons were involved, this is all unrelated to the discussion.

An ion cannon does the thing that you're saying destroyed the ship. Ion cannon hits result in massive electrical discharges. Ion cannons are designed to disable ships without destroying them. Therefore, we have extensive evidence that massive electrical discharges don't destroy ships in Star Wars.

What you have is speculation resulting from a one-off bit of technobable CYA in a single bad filler episode.

So why would this particular ship, suffering from what amounts to a hit from an ion cannon, react in a way that no other ship has ever reacted to the same thing in any of the Star Wars media I've ever seen?

Would've been a lot cooler and made more sense to have Hera tap into the intel ship's databanks and steal their intel from them. Then have the lights go out and just see the intel shipping drifting powerless.

It's not a hit from an ion cannon. There's nothing more to it. You're comparing two different things and complaining that they don't have the same effect. Well, d'uh.

Eh, all shows do stupid things once in a while (yeah, I'm looking at you, Sonic Sunglasses). Just ignore it and move on, for brighter days and better episodes are just around the corner.

Yah, I agree. I'm not even opposed to filler episodes, I just don't want them riddled with plot holes and lousy story ideas. I shouldn't be able to spot multiple plot holes and come up with a better story idea off the top of my head drinking coffee. These 'writers' get paid, by me, and they should do a better job.

26 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

It's not a hit from an ion cannon. There's nothing more to it. You're comparing two different things and complaining that they don't have the same effect. Well, d'uh.

What exactly is it that you think an ion cannon does?

Is it somehow not delivering a massive electrical discharge to the target ship?

1 hour ago, MaxKilljoy said:

An ion cannon does the thing that you're saying destroyed the ship. Ion cannon hits result in massive electrical discharges. Ion cannons are designed to disable ships without destroying them. Therefore, we have extensive evidence that massive electrical discharges don't destroy ships in Star Wars.

What you have is speculation resulting from a one-off bit of technobable CYA in a single bad filler episode.

So why would this particular ship, suffering from what amounts to a hit from an ion cannon, react in a way that no other ship has ever reacted to the same thing in any of the Star Wars media I've ever seen?

What you are now making is look ion cannons as retarded not the other way around, because by all means massive electrical discharges should kill the crew and ships system and not just temporarily "stun" a space ship. We have some massive handweaving here to ignore the problems with the ion cannons and accept them as something which is not really fitting to the visuals we see. Don't ruin the ion cannons for me bro!

31 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

What exactly is it that you think an ion cannon does?

Disable tech.

31 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

Is it somehow not delivering a massive electrical discharge to the target ship?

We don't know, and it doesn't matter.

4 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Disable tech.

We don't know, and it doesn't matter.

And that tells us all we need to know about your position on the subject.

Not sure if you're looking at this as some sort of just-so "space magic" , or working bass-ackwards from game effects ( "disable tech" ) to the source material, but the fact that you can't be bothered to care, doesn't in any way make it not matter.

2 minutes ago, MaxKilljoy said:

Excellent example of an ion cannon, and completely irrelevant to an episode in which they weren't used.

3 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Excellent example of an ion cannon, and completely irrelevant to an episode in which they weren't used.

At this point, you've traded in your shovel for a backhoe, and made it obvious that you don't actually care if the scene in Rebels is at all plausible even in the context of the fictional setting, and you're just making up whatever excuse you can to cover for it.