I'm glad Geonosians aren't entirely extinct

Even according to prior canon, they couldn't be entirely extinct. My son and I were giving one another knowing glances and comments when it was mentioned that the egg appeared to be a queen egg. It set up the Geonosis story early in the run of the Darth Vader comic nicely.

I also believe the Queen we see in the Darth Vader comic is the one from the Clone Wars arc so...technically speaking they actually have a future now.

From what I recall that queen couldn't reproduce though and she was using droids as surrogate children... and Vader took care of that situation, so... No more Geonosians after that?

I've got to think there were colonies somewhere, that not EVERY bug lived on Geonosis.

From what I recall that queen couldn't reproduce though and she was using droids as surrogate children... and Vader took care of that situation, so... No more Geonosians after that?

I've got to think there were colonies somewhere, that not EVERY bug lived on Geonosis.

Well if the queen in Vader is the one from the Clone Wars then the egg the geonosian had was a different queen. Therefore if that is true then I imagine the groundwork is in place for the Geonosians to return... Unless Saw went back and shot the egg.

Sorry for the double post but guys I was wrong. According to Pablo Hidalgo the queen from Vader is the one that hatches from this egg.

So they're basically extinct then...

From what I recall that queen couldn't reproduce though and she was using droids as surrogate children... and Vader took care of that situation, so... No more Geonosians after that?

I've got to think there were colonies somewhere, that not EVERY bug lived on Geonosis.

Well if the queen in Vader is the one from the Clone Wars then the egg the geonosian had was a different queen. Therefore if that is true then I imagine the groundwork is in place for the Geonosians to return... Unless Saw went back and shot the egg.

Queens still need a drone or two to begin the next generation. For social insects, this happens during the spawning flight when the new queens find a new nesting site.

So, just having a queen doesn't bring back a species

Back on topic, we got some nice stuff in Rebels tonight.

Rocket Troopers. Planetary nerve gas bombs. That is all.

From what I recall that queen couldn't reproduce though and she was using droids as surrogate children... and Vader took care of that situation, so... No more Geonosians after that?

I've got to think there were colonies somewhere, that not EVERY bug lived on Geonosis.

Well if the queen in Vader is the one from the Clone Wars then the egg the geonosian had was a different queen. Therefore if that is true then I imagine the groundwork is in place for the Geonosians to return... Unless Saw went back and shot the egg.

Queens still need a drone or two to begin the next generation. For social insects, this happens during the spawning flight when the new queens find a new nesting site.

So, just having a queen doesn't bring back a species

Which is exactly the story in the Darth Vader comic.

"The Rebels have won this battle, but the war will be ours"
- Grand Admiral Thrawn, Cheif Imperial Scene chewer

Unless Filoni goes against canon the Rebels cannot win any of these space battles we get to see in the trailer. The Battle of Scarrif is the first "victory" according to A New Hope's opening scrawl.

It wouldn't be the first time that two canon sources directly conflicted each other in Star Wars.

(Or Leia actually somehow remembers he mother... who died giving birth to her...)

" Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. "

There's no mention of an alliance or anything just the generic term rebels. There's really no wiggling out of that without a BS grammatical technicality.

Here you go: The Yavin 4 Rebels had their first victory. That whole sentence can be specific to that hidden base.

Liked how they were able to incorporate the Ralph McQuarrie concept for C-3PO into Warhead, was neat for them to call that an older model of protocol droid.

Really I thought the episode was all around pretty solid, despite not a whole lot happening. It was fun seeing interchanges between Zeb, chopper, and that other droid the name of which I can't remember. Also it certainly does help illustrate Thrawn as quite a cunning strategist with regards to recognizing the value of narrowing the search vs. a single lost star destroyer.

Narrowing a search is only meaningful if he knows the Rebels can't relocate. However, they can, so it's up only useful if he can hit the narrowed target range very quickly. It doesn't seem that he has the resources for that at present.

Narrowing a search is only meaningful if he knows the Rebels can't relocate. However, they can, so it's up only useful if he can hit the narrowed target range very quickly. It doesn't seem that he has the resources for that at present.

His original droids are still avaible, most of them did survive. Besides it should be trivial to send out a new patch of drones to all the locations.

"The Rebels have won this battle, but the war will be ours"

- Grand Admiral Thrawn, Cheif Imperial Scene chewer

To be fair that scene might as well be stripped from one of the Thrawn Trilogy books. That is Thrawn to a T.

Narrowing a search is only meaningful if he knows the Rebels can't relocate. However, they can, so it's up only useful if he can hit the narrowed target range very quickly. It doesn't seem that he has the resources for that at present.

His original droids are still avaible, most of them did survive. Besides it should be trivial to send out a new patch of drones to all the locations.

Also he probably has some of the surviving droids who came back reporting no success. He can use those data to further narrow down the list of possible locations.

Narrowing a search is only meaningful if he knows the Rebels can't relocate. However, they can, so it's up only useful if he can hit the narrowed target range very quickly. It doesn't seem that he has the resources for that at present.

Well, it's also a question of how quickly they can relocate.

One of the major plot points of Season 2 was that Phoenix Squadron didn't really have a planetary base of operations to use as a storage/supply depot.

Phoenix Squadron seems to be in the midst of gearing up for a major assault on Lothal that they've been planning and working towards for months, so dropping everything to search for a new world that fits their criteria (namely, a remote location that the Empire doesn't already know about) isn't probably going to happen, as the Rebels would have to completely scrap all the prep work they've done for the Lothal assault.

From Legends, one of the running issues the Alliance had was worlds that could be safely and reliably used as safe havens from the Empire. Chopper Base has gotten a reprieve, and based upon Fulcrom/Kallus' last message it may well be they think they're in the clear, meaning they're not even thinking about relocating. Plus, if the fandom suspicion is true that Thrawn knows Kallus is a Fulcrum agent is true, then Kallus knows that he needs to watch his steps and can't easily send out a warning message; heck, Kallus probably doesn't know where Chopper Base is and so wouldn't know if the Imps were on the verge of finding it until it was much too late.

Could the Rebels relocate? Yes.

Can they do it in a short time frame before Thrawn deduces where they are? Debatable, since we don't know how much of the previously downloaded scout droid info the Empire was able to salvage, which might enable Thrawn to narrow his search pattern down from the previously noted 90+ planets.

Narrowing a search is only meaningful if he knows the Rebels can't relocate. However, they can, so it's up only useful if he can hit the narrowed target range very quickly. It doesn't seem that he has the resources for that at present.

Well, it's also a question of how quickly they can relocate.

One of the major plot points of Season 2 was that Phoenix Squadron didn't really have a planetary base of operations to use as a storage/supply depot.

Phoenix Squadron seems to be in the midst of gearing up for a major assault on Lothal that they've been planning and working towards for months, so dropping everything to search for a new world that fits their criteria (namely, a remote location that the Empire doesn't already know about) isn't probably going to happen, as the Rebels would have to completely scrap all the prep work they've done for the Lothal assault.

From Legends, one of the running issues the Alliance had was worlds that could be safely and reliably used as safe havens from the Empire. Chopper Base has gotten a reprieve, and based upon Fulcrom/Kallus' last message it may well be they think they're in the clear, meaning they're not even thinking about relocating. Plus, if the fandom suspicion is true that Thrawn knows Kallus is a Fulcrum agent is true, then Kallus knows that he needs to watch his steps and can't easily send out a warning message; heck, Kallus probably doesn't know where Chopper Base is and so wouldn't know if the Imps were on the verge of finding it until it was much too late.

Could the Rebels relocate? Yes.

Can they do it in a short time frame before Thrawn deduces where they are? Debatable, since we don't know how much of the previously downloaded scout droid info the Empire was able to salvage, which might enable Thrawn to narrow his search pattern down from the previously noted 90+ planets.

I'm pretty sure we'll see them relocate before the end of the season. Why?

The trailer for the second half of the season showed Mon Mothma with the crew of the Ghost. The timeline in the Rogue One Visual Guide indicates Mon Mothma openly spoke out against the Empire and went into hiding/exile about 2 years BBY. Which is roughly the timeframe Rebels is in right now.

So, by the end of the season, they'll relocate.

To Dantooine.

But can they do it before Thrawn finds them and launches an offensive? That's the real question.

In terms of plot, there's little doubt that the Ghost's crew will survive such an attempt, as they've pretty much got plot immunity for as long as the show's on the air, and at the very least Hera, Chopper, and The Ghost itself are safe up to the events of Rogue One given their appearances there.

His original droids are still avaible, most of them did survive. Besides it should be trivial to send out a new patch of drones to all the locations.

Plus, assuming that the example we saw is standard procedure - the droids reported in via long range comlink. Droids also returning to base isn't that unusual, since we saw a couple of pods coming in at the same time as our living bomb, but the long range reports should still narrow the field down greatly.

It's not that great of a stretch to say the clock is running for that base.

Considering Thrawn narrows it down to 96 from where the droids went. I don't think the Star Destroyer had time to gain the information or transmit it before it blew up.

Still very likely that the climax of season 3 is Thrawn attacking chopper base.

Hot ****, the newest episode is all kinds of brilliant. Fantastically done visuals and compelling writing and acting, and some enticing lore sprinkled throughout. I think it's as good as the Vader/Ahsoka episode (though very different from it in style and emotion).

Agreed. That was an excellent episode. Don't think there's been a Star Wars story that so embodies the concept of "people swinging swords at each other as an allegory for their own personal conflict with each other and themselves" since... 1984? Also really liked that once again, two characters have a brief argument wherein both parties are right, but their own personal experience has coloured their interpretation of things. Good stuff.

Sabine is actually a character now, rather than a concept.

This is what I have been waiting for since the series began.

Yeah, you could really tell the writers were struggling with her earlier in the series. There's been attempts to build her up as more of an engaging character but they've consistently fallen pretty flat. This seems like a massive step in the right direction though.