I was going to get involved in this thread but everyone seems to write an essay.
[SPOILERS]: Star Wars: Rebels - Thoughts?
Umm … is that her? Or someone else wearing a Lekku hat and serious headphones?
Hard to tell without her red hair, but I'm pretty sure that is.
Tie-Defenders?!!? Man, they really have taken the whole "Artistic License" with the star-fighter-time to whole new level!
A-Wings before the first death star
B-Wings with super lasers AND before the first death star
Tie-Defenders before Tie-Advances
No X-wings or Head Hunters
Whats next?! They introduce the crappy E-wing as the savior to the rebellion?!
Also, who ever called Agent Kallus as the next Falkrum. Good on yea.
I'm sure others have said this before so I apologize for any repeats.
There were A-Wings and B-Wings before the First Death Star originally. You see them in the early episodes of the Droids cartoon which was set fifteen years before A New Hope. Then later when WEG got the license they didn't research the cartoon and stated that the A-Wings and B-Wings were developed after A New Hope which eventually led to a retrocon creating predecessor models to the A-Wing and B-Wing.
If memory serves we see laser weapons using the tributary laser principle used by the B-Wing prototypes and the Death Stars in the Clone Wars era in both Legends and canon. I think we see some in Attack of the Clones in fact.
Just because the particular cell the series focuses on does not use Headhunter doesn't mean they don't exist or that they arn't used by rebel forces. In fact we know the Headhunters exist because we saw a variant on them in The Clone Wars.
As for the X-Wings we don't know that they exist when Rebels season three takes place or that they aren't being used by other rebel cells if they do exist.
As for the TIE Defender perhaps it is similar to what happened with the Interdictor cruiser in canon. The prototype or prototypes are deployed, something goes horribly wrong and it takes a long time before new prototypes with the issues fixed are produced and deployed.
The only thing that "bothers" me is that the X-wing is portrayed as a super advanced ship, when the movies gave the impression it was a outdated, but rugid ship.
Otherwise things like that in cartoons rarely bother me. Technology often goes through several changes and often the prototypes are available long before the mass production. Star wars as a set of movies and as the EU and beyond has always been a whimsical fantasy world in which evil rises and falls. I for one am curious as to whether Rogue 1 can shake that up.
The only thing that "bothers" me is that the X-wing is portrayed as a super advanced ship, when the movies gave the impression it was a outdated, but rugid ship.
Otherwise things like that in cartoons rarely bother me. Technology often goes through several changes and often the prototypes are available long before the mass production. Star wars as a set of movies and as the EU and beyond has always been a whimsical fantasy world in which evil rises and falls. I for one am curious as to whether Rogue 1 can shake that up.
I always got the impression that the rebels just didn't have the resources to keep them shiny.
That said, it IS an outdated but rugged ship. Incom developed the design shortly after the Clone Wars but got gobbled up by the Empire, but the rebels were able to make them very slowly.
Really? every source I recall says the X-Wings came out a couple of years before A New Hope at most.
Really? every source I recall says the X-Wings came out a couple of years before A New Hope at most.
Does it matter? Any of this "X ship came out at this time in canon" or "Y ship came out at this time in canon" debate? I mean a lot of this thread has been devoted to nitpicking a detail that is dubiously accurate at best based on source material, and isn't something that the movie devs have to bother really sticking to.
Really? every source I recall says the X-Wings came out a couple of years before A New Hope at most.
Perhaps based on the WEG misleading claims?
Alright, this is nothing but my own opinions and supposition.
The X-Wing was originally based off of the Z-95 Headhunter. However, the fighter show during the Clone Wars that most closely resembles it is the the ARC-170 fighter. And just as we saw improvements in capital ship design that can be traced from the early Republic cruisers to the Imperial battleship designs, I can see the move from the ARC fighter to the X-Wing.
Pure fan theory, but I'm think it makes sense that Incom was tapped by the Empire for the next general purpose fighter based of the ARC design and developed the X-Wing. And this would have been fairly early on during the Imperial refocusing.
Pure fan theory, but I'm think it makes sense that Incom was tapped by the Empire for the next general purpose fighter based of the ARC design and developed the X-Wing. And this would have been fairly early on during the Imperial refocusing.
My personal theory is that it wasn’t the Empire doing this with the ARC-170 to X-Wing development, it was the Republic in the very late stages of the Clone Wars. The trick is that the X-Wing never saw combat during the Clone Wars, and then that design got shelved as the new Empire started working on the TIE fighters, which were based on the Jedi Aethersprite Starfighters.
Incom had this improved X-Wing design on hand, but nowhere to go with it, and so it “leaked”. That design could then be made by other shipbuilders, and used against the TIEs.
At least, that would be one possible story.
My personal theory is that it wasn’t the Empire doing this with the ARC-170 to X-Wing development, it was the Republic in the very late stages of the Clone Wars. The trick is that the X-Wing never saw combat during the Clone Wars, and then that design got shelved as the new Empire started working on the TIE fighters, which were based on the Jedi Aethersprite Starfighters.Incom had this improved X-Wing design on hand, but nowhere to go with it, and so it “leaked”. That design could then be made by other shipbuilders, and used against the TIEs.At least, that would be one possible story.Pure fan theory, but I'm think it makes sense that Incom was tapped by the Empire for the next general purpose fighter based of the ARC design and developed the X-Wing. And this would have been fairly early on during the Imperial refocusing.
I dig it. Although I think the logical conclusion of the Aethersprite is the A-Wing.
I might be wrong but I believe that in canon the Aethersprites and the A-Wings were manufactured by the same company. I know that in Legends the lead designer on both classes was the same.
In Legends the X-Wing was a middle ground between both the Headhunter ad the Arc having more firepower and damage absorbing capability then the Z-85 and more speed and maneuverability then the Arc plus requiring fewer personnel to fully crew.
It seems that "Visions and Voices" might have one of my players having to go back and tweak his character's backstory. Interested to see where/when/if we learn more about the Empire wiping out the Nightsisters.
When is Rebels actually on these days? I had it set up to DVR but nothing new actually gets recorded.
Mine popped up on my Amazon account last nite for the latest episode.
Sarurday night, not sure of the time as I do not have cable
Really? every source I recall says the X-Wings came out a couple of years before A New Hope at most.
Perhaps based on the WEG misleading claims?
I'm guessing the issues with a new X-wing are more of a problem for old timer fans due to how they were initially portrayed versus how they were described in WEG and EU.
Original, 1977 sources (tried finding one of my old magazines on the shelves downstairs for an example, gave up) described the X-wings and Y-wings at Yavin as old, used, kept together with loving care, but formidable. There was even a statement about panels being left off of the snubfighters in order to provide quicker access for mechanics due to the craft being beat up and old. This may have been the source of inspiration for the appearance of the Clone Wars cartoon Y-wings vs. those seen at Yavin.
WEG and EU changed things but some old fans prefer the original old hot rod description they fell in love with as a kid.
Long before my time then. And while that describes Rebel Alliance Y-Wings perfectly I don't see any signs of there being missing panels and such on the X-Wings.
Long before my time then. And while that describes Rebel Alliance Y-Wings perfectly I don't see any signs of there being missing panels and such on the X-Wings.
You can see similar "exposed" looking areas on the top, rear, and engines of the X-wing when set beside what you imagine are the exposed areas on the Y-wing. Not as much, but it's still easy to imagine what original skinned X-wings might have looked like if given the Clone Wars treatment (not just the nose covered with panels).
Both X-wings and Y-wings were described as old with panels removed back in 1977, not just the Y-wings (iirc).
https://starshipmodeling.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/2012-08-26-10-01-34.jpg
Here's an example of what a cover placed back on the top might look like:
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It seems that "Visions and Voices" might have one of my players having to go back and tweak his character's backstory. Interested to see where/when/if we learn more about the Empire wiping out the Nightsisters.
TCW, Season 4, Episode 14, Massacrare. ( https://www.netflix.com/watch/70262953 )
Mother Talzin is seen back in Season 6 Episode 8 and 9, "The Disappeared". My favorite Mace Windu episode ever. ( https://www.netflix.com/watch/70301335 )
And btw, Season 4, Episode 15 "Bounty Hunters" follows directly after the fallout of the massacre on dathomir and has Ventress, Dengar, Bossk, Fett and Latts in one Episode.
It seems that "Visions and Voices" might have one of my players having to go back and tweak his character's backstory. Interested to see where/when/if we learn more about the Empire wiping out the Nightsisters.
TCW, Season 4, Episode 14, Massacrare. ( https://www.netflix.com/watch/70262953 )
Mother Talzin is seen back in Season 6 Episode 8 and 9, "The Disappeared". My favorite Mace Windu episode ever. ( https://www.netflix.com/watch/70301335 )
And btw, Season 4, Episode 15 "Bounty Hunters" follows directly after the fallout of the massacre on dathomir and has Ventress, Dengar, Bossk, Fett and Latts in one Episode.
Thanks. Those have quite literally slipped my mind. I'll have to go back and re-watch.
Long before my time then. And while that describes Rebel Alliance Y-Wings perfectly I don't see any signs of there being missing panels and such on the X-Wings.
You can see similar "exposed" looking areas on the top, rear, and engines of the X-wing when set beside what you imagine are the exposed areas on the Y-wing. Not as much, but it's still easy to imagine what original skinned X-wings might have looked like if given the Clone Wars treatment (not just the nose covered with panels).
Both X-wings and Y-wings were described as old with panels removed back in 1977, not just the Y-wings (iirc).
https://starshipmodeling.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/2012-08-26-10-01-34.jpg
Here's an example of what a cover placed back on the top might look like:
Interesting but given thatwe didn't see any X-Wings in The Clone Wars or even Rebels so far I suspect the new canon's X-Wing origin will probably be something like WEG's. We'll see though.
Interesting but given thatwe didn't see any X-Wings in The Clone Wars or even Rebels so far I suspect the new canon's X-Wing origin will probably be something like WEG's. We'll see though.
That would make quite a two-part episode, the defection of a whole company to the Rebellion. We can hope...
thought I saw some x-wings in a Rouge One trailer