Maul was cut in half and "got better".

No body = no proof = could be back later.

Maybe Maul wasn't cut in half. Maybe Obi Won pulled one of those 'certain point of view' things when he reported what happened.

I'm not as excited by these potential fights as some are... this all being "future history", we know that the outcome can't go certain places.

Ghost crew vs Vader... we knew Vader had to pretty much come out on top of that one, he couldn't really lose.

Ahsoka vs Vader... we knew Vader couldn't die, or be redeemed, or the like. At the very least he HAD to survive that fight.

Maul vs Vader... again, Vader can't die or substantially fail.

Actually, the real problem here is making Vader a recurring part of the show, instead of a distant dark master directing his Inquisitors. I wasn't so thrilled to see Lando or Leia, but at least they were there and gone.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

You have a point.

However, I think he should have left the series as an active villain after the initial encounter with the Ghost crew... after all, he probably has a lot on his plate.

And, it's not as if they couldn't have taken the drastic (for cartoons) step of having their new, series-specific villain actually win or draw some encounters. They actually did this with the Grand Inquisitor and the Inquisitors... they did win or draw some of the encounters.

I'm not as excited by these potential fights as some are... this all being "future history", we know that the outcome can't go certain places.

Ghost crew vs Vader... we knew Vader had to pretty much come out on top of that one, he couldn't really lose.

Ahsoka vs Vader... we knew Vader couldn't die, or be redeemed, or the like. At the very least he HAD to survive that fight.

Maul vs Vader... again, Vader can't die or substantially fail.

Actually, the real problem here is making Vader a recurring part of the show, instead of a distant dark master directing his Inquisitors. I wasn't so thrilled to see Lando or Leia, but at least they were there and gone.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

You have a point.

However, I think he should have left the series as an active villain after the initial encounter with the Ghost crew... after all, he probably has a lot on his plate.

And, it's not as if they couldn't have taken the drastic (for cartoons) step of having their new, series-specific villain actually win or draw some encounters. They actually did this with the Grand Inquisitor and the Inquisitors... they did win or draw some of the encounters.

Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.

Then both his and Palpatine's old apprentices showed up at the site of the Sith temple/weapon they were all seeking. Seems perfectly reasonable for him to get personally involved at that point.

I'm not as excited by these potential fights as some are... this all being "future history", we know that the outcome can't go certain places.

Ghost crew vs Vader... we knew Vader had to pretty much come out on top of that one, he couldn't really lose.

Ahsoka vs Vader... we knew Vader couldn't die, or be redeemed, or the like. At the very least he HAD to survive that fight.

Maul vs Vader... again, Vader can't die or substantially fail.

Actually, the real problem here is making Vader a recurring part of the show, instead of a distant dark master directing his Inquisitors. I wasn't so thrilled to see Lando or Leia, but at least they were there and gone.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

You have a point.

However, I think he should have left the series as an active villain after the initial encounter with the Ghost crew... after all, he probably has a lot on his plate.

And, it's not as if they couldn't have taken the drastic (for cartoons) step of having their new, series-specific villain actually win or draw some encounters. They actually did this with the Grand Inquisitor and the Inquisitors... they did win or draw some of the encounters.

Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.

Then both his and Palpatine's old apprentices showed up at the site of the Sith temple/weapon they were all seeking. Seems perfectly reasonable for him to get personally involved at that point.

They all could have been gone by the time he got there. Space is big, travel time shouldn't be a narrative contrivance.

MaxKilljoy, I get you don't like Rebels, and that is fair. But almost every complaint you have could be applied to the Original moviea as well. So I have to ask: If you don't like Star Wars, to quote Yoda "I am wondering, why are you here?"

MaxKilljoy, I get you don't like Rebels, and that is fair. But almost every complaint you have could be applied to the Original moviea as well. So I have to ask: If you don't like Star Wars, to quote Yoda "I am wondering, why are you here?"

Did I say I didn't like Rebels, or am I criticizing particular points?

I'm not as excited by these potential fights as some are... this all being "future history", we know that the outcome can't go certain places.

Ghost crew vs Vader... we knew Vader had to pretty much come out on top of that one, he couldn't really lose.

Ahsoka vs Vader... we knew Vader couldn't die, or be redeemed, or the like. At the very least he HAD to survive that fight.

Maul vs Vader... again, Vader can't die or substantially fail.

Actually, the real problem here is making Vader a recurring part of the show, instead of a distant dark master directing his Inquisitors. I wasn't so thrilled to see Lando or Leia, but at least they were there and gone.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

You have a point.

However, I think he should have left the series as an active villain after the initial encounter with the Ghost crew... after all, he probably has a lot on his plate.

And, it's not as if they couldn't have taken the drastic (for cartoons) step of having their new, series-specific villain actually win or draw some encounters. They actually did this with the Grand Inquisitor and the Inquisitors... they did win or draw some of the encounters.

Sure, he's got a lot on his plate.

Then both his and Palpatine's old apprentices showed up at the site of the Sith temple/weapon they were all seeking. Seems perfectly reasonable for him to get personally involved at that point.

They all could have been gone by the time he got there. Space is big, travel time shouldn't be a narrative contrivance.

You're looking at the wrong franchise, then, my friend. Travel time has been subject to narrative contrivance with this one since 1977.

And that's disregarding the simple fact that we don't know where in relation to Malachor Vader and the Inquisitors were staging their search for Maul, the holocron, and the temple.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

Exactly. Vader could have easily been Skeletor or Cobra Commander, shaking his fist at his enemies as he runs away. Again. But no, every time he shows up, he cleans some SERIOUS house. Fleets get decimated, named characters die, bad things happen.

Oh sure, if he shows up every week, he'll quickly turn into Doctor Claw - but as a occasional offering? He'll remain looking Strong.

I'm not as excited by these potential fights as some are... this all being "future history", we know that the outcome can't go certain places.

Ghost crew vs Vader... we knew Vader had to pretty much come out on top of that one, he couldn't really lose.

Ahsoka vs Vader... we knew Vader couldn't die, or be redeemed, or the like. At the very least he HAD to survive that fight.

Maul vs Vader... again, Vader can't die or substantially fail.

Actually, the real problem here is making Vader a recurring part of the show, instead of a distant dark master directing his Inquisitors. I wasn't so thrilled to see Lando or Leia, but at least they were there and gone.

Compared to most traditional cartoon villains, Vader's at least allowed to succeed making him a credible threat. I realized that "Knowing the outcome deflates any tension", but for years most cartoon villains weren't allow to succeed which is a similar problem while making the villains incompetent and nonthreatening.

You have a point.

However, I think he should have left the series as an active villain after the initial encounter with the Ghost crew... after all, he probably has a lot on his plate.

And, it's not as if they couldn't have taken the drastic (for cartoons) step of having their new, series-specific villain actually win or draw some encounters. They actually did this with the Grand Inquisitor and the Inquisitors... they did win or draw some of the encounters.

They're bookends, he showed up at the beginning and did stuff, he showed up 3/4 through the season to tease the season closer, and then he showed up at the end and did stuff. Until the next season comes out, we have no idea what Vader's involvement with the Rebels will be.

There have to be about 4 (possibly 5) Inquisitors left, provided Eighth brother didn't somehow manage to survive his fall.

Maybe. On the one hand one of them says there are "more than enough" inquisitors, but he could have been bluffing. Filoni has said they're winding down the inquisitors, as they aren't around in the OT. If there are more inquisitors waiting in the wings I think next seasons big bad (Maul) will make quick work out of them.

Maybe the next season's antagonist is Tarkin or Thrawn, and we're going to have more focus on ops than on the force?

Maybe the next season's antagonist is Tarkin or Thrawn, and we're going to have more focus on ops than on the force?

There was a rumor that Thrawn was going to make an appearance in Rebels.

Maybe. On the one hand one of them says there are "more than enough" inquisitors, but he could have been bluffing. Filoni has said they're winding down the inquisitors, as they aren't around in the OT. If there are more inquisitors waiting in the wings I think next seasons big bad (Maul) will make quick work out of them.

Probably as the number of force users dwindled in the galaxy, the was less need for official Inquisitors. Still the Star Wars galaxy is a big place with a lot going on. Vader was tasked with finding Luke Skywalker after he blew up the Death Star. The Emperor probably wanted the Imperial War Machine to run the day-to-day of the Empire. He probably still had Hands to eliminate any overly ambitious Moffs that have delusions of grandeur, but they don't operate openly.

I personally think, if anything that the Emperor will start using his Hands to replace the inquistation order. Their biggest issue was that, if they ever became aware of it, that they as a collective could prove to be a great rival in the force unless denied education. The Hand's overcome this by raising a bunch of individually minded people that each believe themselves to be the Emperors one and only apprentice.

That being said, the Hands are also part of old Canon hence that may not come to pass.

One of the RPGs (not sure which without digging) talks about the Inquisitors constantly walking a tightrope, expected to achieve 100% success against desperate, sometimes very experienced "rogue" force-users, while at the same time they themselves are under intense suspicion as potential rival force-users by the Emperor and his inner circle of Vader and a handful of others.

Inquisitors strike me as being very static enemies; that is to say, if you're a fledgling Force user they're very dangerous and nearly impossible to overcome, but as you train and grow in your own abilities it's just a matter of surpassing the moderately low bar they represent. The Inquisitors aren't progressing with you, they have their limited training and a spinny lightsaber and that's it because for the most part that's all they need. If they encounter someone more powerful than them, they call for backup in the form of a second or even third Inquisitor.

And if that isn't enough, well, there's always Vader.

Inquisitors strike me as being very static enemies; that is to say, if you're a fledgling Force user they're very dangerous and nearly impossible to overcome, but as you train and grow in your own abilities it's just a matter of surpassing the moderately low bar they represent. The Inquisitors aren't progressing with you, they have their limited training and a spinny lightsaber and that's it because for the most part that's all they need. If they encounter someone more powerful than them, they call for backup in the form of a second or even third Inquisitor.

And if that isn't enough, well, there's always Vader.

Which falls perfectly in line with the Sorting Algorithm of Evil trope, in that as the heroes continue to improve and get better, the enemies that were threats in the early going become less and less of a threat. In many an anime and sentai series, the early threats wind up becoming cannon fodder that the heroes can defeat without nearly as much effort.

I think the FaD Inquisitor rules were written with the idea that facing an Inquisitor is a big deal for the PCs and will be for a long time, not unlike how the Grand Inquisitor was a serious threat for most of the first season, and was only defeated when Kanan had his epiphany. Where as the Fifth Brother and Seventh Sister were threats, but not as serious a one, and the Eighth Brother was literally a disposable threat. That Ezra could handle one of those three without too much difficulty lends credence to the notion that Inquisitors as a serious threat won't be much of a thing in later seasons.

As for Inquisitor, i think they are just "apprentice" of the Force. Even less: they are trained to the basics and no more, so they could face a just-awoken force user, but not a trained padawan.

In this way, they are not a threat to Emperor 'cause if/when they become strong enough, Vader will dispose them.

Also, i think Inquisitors are supposed to be some sort of Vader's long finger, 'cause Dark Lord of Sith can't be in every corner of the galaxy and is supposed to be around main events (and also in canonical comics) and so long he has some "intern" to work for him.

Lsat but not least, they are not sith: they are just dark side force user, and that's different (and they make it canon, now, that sith is just a small part of the dark side force user group...)

However, they can't be main villain of next season, no more: Kanan is a Jedi now, and making him blind means he will probably become "wise old master with great warrior's scars" and Ezra will be more than a full trained padawan. "Dark Side Internship" is no more a threat.

Maul, on the vice versa, coul be a great adversary and a not Imperial one. But i think next season will go around a more subtle villain: the Dark Side tempting Ezra.

I think (and also hope ) main villain role will be fulfilled by someone who will face the rebels, not the Jedis.

Someone similar to first few episodes' Agent Kallus; Tarkin or Thrawn could be good (the first is canon, the second not yet... it would be great to canonise this huge characther, but i don't whanna hang on false hope )

As a side notes: in my long time running campaign at SW WEG i introduced the inquisitors 4-5 years before Rebels started, and i pictured him like a low level dark side user (low level = same level as the Jedi PC) who was sent to investigate report of a Force User in the planet. Normally they where playing on the mid-to-outer rim, save for some specific raid, and they where doing for first time (and probably only one) a mission on a inner rim planet while they used the Force (ie lightsaber) to attack some Imperials

With heavy stupor, they stopped fighting the jedi and retreated, waiting for a "code 9 support" in the form of the Inquisitor

And now, this part of my campaign is canon u_u

(many other parts, like Barriss Offee survived from Vader's wrath and hiding on a swamp planet is waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of canon x_x )

It is still my belief that Yoda is playing the long game, and having sensed Darth Maul - who is a Sith, sent the only other Jedi he knows about (for sure) to take out that threat. Yoda wants to destroy the Sith once and for all.

Darth Maul will be the major villian for Kanan and Ezra, while Hera, Sabine, Zeb, Chopper, and Rex fight the empire proper. At least, that is how I see it. Kanan and Ezra will be lost (not necessarily dead) and Darth Maul and the remaining Inqusitors will be finally dealt with.

Because this is the Rebel Thread.. I gotta post last weeks Episode of Collider Jedi Council. Just look at who the guests are. Freddie Prince Jr and Sam Witwer.. They do talk about some stuff going into Season 3..

Watched the last several episodes of season 2 last night.

When Kanan tells Hera "we'll see each other again" before the trip to Malachor... that has to be deliberate foreshadowing, right?

Watched the last several episodes of season 2 last night.

When Kanan tells Hera "we'll see each other again" before the trip to Malachor... that has to be deliberate foreshadowing, right?

Stars, that made me sad.

*Insert witty comment here that has been edited out for being potentially offensive.*

Other things from the end of the season:

Other things from the end of the season:

1) Love Maul obliquely referencing the Sith code -- which comes up quite often in SWTOR -- when pushing Ezra to use his emotions.

2) Ezra says "I'm not afraid of you." -- to which Vader replies "Then you will die braver than most." Heh.

3) Ahsoka shows that she's enough of a match for Vader that the fight could have gone either way.

4) Ahsoka lived.

Actually, we know she didn't win the fight as Vader is still alive and kicking for the movies. So, at best she fought him to a draw long enough that she then found a way to escape.