[SPOILERS]: Star Wars: Rebels - Thoughts?

By GM Hooly, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

There is another Apprentice that is showing up that has been long overdue for a horrible death, His Name starts with D and ends with L.

So, we're finally going to see the end of Dare Devil? YAY!!!

Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time.

I'm still sticking to the belief that even if Yoda knew the status of any other Jedi, even if there were a hundred Jedi out there, that he wouldn't tell the Assassin he was honing to go cap Palpatine anything other than "You're it. You fail and the game is over". You don't big up your secret weapon by telling him that there's a dozen more like him waiting in the wings.

That's generally been my take as well, even before the Great Canon Reset, if not having quite as cynical a bent.

Luke was already wavering and suffering from a lack of confidence that he even could face Vader, much less defeat him. If Yoda had mentioned there were other Jedi around, then Luke would have been far more likely to postpone his fated confrontation with his father in the hopes of passing the buck and thus avoid his destiny. Obi-Wan likely only knew about Leia, but there was no way for Luke to get her trained up in time so once again the burden rests upon Luke's shoulders.

I suspect Yoda also knew (or at least guessed) that things were rapidly reaching a critical juncture, and that if Luke didn't get his hindquarters in gear, it would be much too late for the galaxy. Who knows, maybe Yoda suspected all along that Luke would be able to do what Obi-Wan couldn't and actually reach Anakin through the shroud of the Vader persona and so enable the Chosen One to properly fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith.

Remember at the end of TCW S6 Yoda is made aware that there is another Skywalker. He even says to Mace and Obi Wan that they might not see a win in the Clone War but a win for all time. So Yoda is definitely playing the long game and is made to believe that a Skywalker might still fulfill the prophecy.

This is a problem with stories written out of order without forethought given. One has to make all kinds of leaps to make new information fit with old when trying to line it all back up.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

If she wanted to look innocent why did she walk out of a prison belonging to a government the Jedi were supposed to serve? The only reason for her to leave under those conditions would she's guilty or she's a moron who doesn't realize that doing so just makes her look guilty. If I remember right she actually expected Anakin, a Jedi Knight, to bust her out of a Republic jail. After that she pretty much did everything she could to make herself look more guilty.

If you say so.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

If she wanted to look innocent why did she walk out of a prison belonging to a government the Jedi were supposed to serve? The only reason for her to leave under those conditions would she's guilty or she's a moron who doesn't realize that doing so just makes her look guilty. If I remember right she actually expected Anakin, a Jedi Knight, to bust her out of a Republic jail. After that she pretty much did everything she could to make herself look more guilty.

Continuously throughout the prequel era the Jedi act as a law unto themselves. No respect for Republic law and due process, lots of extra-judicial killing. It's hardly surprising that she expected Anakin to break her out. I think Ahsoka finally begins to see some of the failings of the Jedi, saw that she was being set-up and going to loose and decided to opt out.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

If she wanted to look innocent why did she walk out of a prison belonging to a government the Jedi were supposed to serve? The only reason for her to leave under those conditions would she's guilty or she's a moron who doesn't realize that doing so just makes her look guilty. If I remember right she actually expected Anakin, a Jedi Knight, to bust her out of a Republic jail. After that she pretty much did everything she could to make herself look more guilty.

The entire arc starts with Ahsoka being with Anakin fighting out in the Outer Rim. The Jedi ignored this and proceeded to act as if she was guilty, so it's no wonder that she broke out of prison. Also, you are forgetting that she thought that Anakin had broke her out of prison. It wasn't until the trial that she found out it was Bariss that did it and set her up. The Republic was bound and determined to convict her regardless of the evidence. The only evidence that Tarkin had was circumstantial and it took hard evidence that Anakin found to clear Ahsoka. It's no wonder that she left the Order. I would have too as they all believed she was guilty, including Yoda. It's ironic that the only person, besides Anakin, that believed in her innocence was Asajj.

Edited by ThePatriot

OK. Severe SWRPG timeline confusion.

Can anyone tell me what happened to the Geonosians after they disappeared after the construction of TDS I? They victims of genocide, right?! I'm confused because the EotE game is at it's base set just after the destruction of TDS I, yet the follow-on adventure is set partially on Geonosis with Geonosian nobility and such as major characters for interaction. Yet this is set after they were wiped out as a species.

I hate it when my game publishers can't get their timeline straight. Was the adventure published before the relevant sources for the destruction of the Geonosian people?

Clearly the adventure is set Prior to the destruction of Alderaan, during the construction phase of TDS I or just after it's launch.

OK. Severe SWRPG timeline confusion.

Can anyone tell me what happened to the Geonosians after they disappeared after the construction of TDS I? They victims of genocide, right?! I'm confused because the EotE game is at it's base set just after the destruction of TDS I, yet the follow-on adventure is set partially on Geonosis with Geonosian nobility and such as major characters for interaction. Yet this is set after they were wiped out as a species.

I hate it when my game publishers can't get their timeline straight. Was the adventure published before the relevant sources for the destruction of the Geonosian people?

Clearly the adventure is set Prior to the destruction of Alderaan, during the construction phase of TDS I or just after it's launch.

It wasn't until recently that the Geonosians were killed totally in Darth Vader #4 comic which was published in 2015. EotE was published in 2013. How is it FFG's fault when they didn't even know what was going to happen?

OK. Severe SWRPG timeline confusion.

Can anyone tell me what happened to the Geonosians after they disappeared after the construction of TDS I? They victims of genocide, right?! I'm confused because the EotE game is at it's base set just after the destruction of TDS I, yet the follow-on adventure is set partially on Geonosis with Geonosian nobility and such as major characters for interaction. Yet this is set after they were wiped out as a species.

I hate it when my game publishers can't get their timeline straight. Was the adventure published before the relevant sources for the destruction of the Geonosian people?

Clearly the adventure is set Prior to the destruction of Alderaan, during the construction phase of TDS I or just after it's launch.

The writers get zero advance notice from LFL about plot developments in other Star Wars media. Sam Stewart even said as much on an Order 66 podcast appearance when discussing how they were just as much in the dark about the events of Star Wars Rebels as everyone else.

Plus, the follow-up adventure you're running was written well in advance of the events of Darth Vader #4 and Star Wars Rebels. Although Pablo Hidalgo did say on a Rebels Recon that the Ghost's crew only had time for what amounted for a surface scan, not a through investigation. As for Ezra, I doubt he's strong enough to do a planetwide sweep with the Force in just a few seconds; he likely just "peeked" quickly based upon Rex's comment of how the planet should be "crawling with bugs" and when that peek came up goose eggs, he exaggerated as teenagers are apt to do.

And who's to say that Lucasfilm won't do a later story set during the Rebellion Era when Geonosis is once again actively populated? After all, it's not outside the realm of possibility that there were colonies of Geonosisans on other planets that might return to their species' planet of origin and try to start over.

Was the adventure published before the relevant sources for the destruction of the Geonosian people?

It wasn't until recently that the Geonosians were killed totally in Darth Vader #4 comic which was published in 2015. EotE was published in 2013. How is it FFG's fault when they didn't even know what was going to happen?

Thankyou for answering the question.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

If she wanted to look innocent why did she walk out of a prison belonging to a government the Jedi were supposed to serve? The only reason for her to leave under those conditions would she's guilty or she's a moron who doesn't realize that doing so just makes her look guilty. If I remember right she actually expected Anakin, a Jedi Knight, to bust her out of a Republic jail. After that she pretty much did everything she could to make herself look more guilty.

The entire arc starts with Ahsoka being with Anakin fighting out in the Outer Rim. The Jedi ignored this and proceeded to act as if she was guilty, so it's no wonder that she broke out of prison. Also, you are forgetting that she thought that Anakin had broke her out of prison. It wasn't until the trial that she found out it was Bariss that did it and set her up. The Republic was bound and determined to convict her regardless of the evidence. The only evidence that Tarkin had was circumstantial and it took hard evidence that Anakin found to clear Ahsoka. It's no wonder that she left the Order. I would have too as they all believed she was guilty, including Yoda. It's ironic that the only person, besides Anakin, that believed in her innocence was Asajj.

A: There was no reason that the Jedi who set up the attack needed to be on Coruscant when the attack took place.

B; The captured attacker was killed with a Force attack while Ahsoka was in the room which is plenty of reason to suspect her.

C: She broke out of prison while awaiting trial then continued to flee. If that didn't make her look guilty what would?

D: I already mentioned her being dumb enough to think Anakin, who is supposed to support the Republic, would bust her out of a Republic jail.

By the time she broke out, her only hope of not being framed and convicted was to find out what was really going on, on her own. Everyone else who should have had her back and been pushing for a deeper investigation was just standing around doing nothing, picking their noses while she was being railroaded.

A: There was no reason that the Jedi who set up the attack needed to be on Coruscant when the attack took place.

B; The captured attacker was killed with a Force attack while Ahsoka was in the room which is plenty of reason to suspect her.

C: She broke out of prison while awaiting trial then continued to flee. If that didn't make her look guilty what would?

D: I already mentioned her being dumb enough to think Anakin, who is supposed to support the Republic, would bust her out of a Republic jail.

A: The series established that Anakin was the only with Ahsoka during the events prior to the arc. She didn't have any contact with people on Coruscant as her transmissions would have been intercepted or overheard by Anakin.

B: With the audio disabled. No one knows who actually disabled the audio recording equipment inside the cell. Tarkin does state that the cell Ahsoka was in is the only one that had the audio recording system disabled. The only people that had reasonable access to the equipment is the Republic military command.

C: If I had a choice between fleeing to clear my name or going to prison for something I didn't commit, you bet your bottom credit I would flee to clear my name. Already everything was in place to make Ashoka the patsy for Bariss's treachery, including everyone saying that Ahsoka killed guards in her escape. That doesn't fit since we see on screen that does everything in her power to avoid killing any Clone Troopers, military commanders, and Anakin in her escape. Specifically, when she is running outside of the prison. All these cameras would show that she didn't harm a single one of them and yet, everyone is quick to assign the murders committed by Bariss to her. Tarkin, the Republic Justice System, and the Jedi Council ignored all of this evidence that showed she wasn't responsible for killing anyone. They all failed her, especially in regards to impartiality before the trial. All of them showed their bias to the fact that she was guilty without a single shred of actual evidence.

D: No, it's not dumb since Anakin did similar things in regards to the Jedi Council and Obi-wan that we saw in the PT and TCW series. As her master, it was his obligation to ensure that she was treated fairly and the Republic ignored everything he said about her in order to plant the charges against her. Anakin let her go during the escape because he knew that she wasn't responsible for the terrorist attack or the deaths of the witness and Republic forces in the prison. He trusted her enough to get to the bottom of it and find the evidence they needed. He, also, in typical PT Anakin fashion ignored the Council and Senate when what he knew didn't pass the muster. Notice that the Republic automatically assumes that the explosive nanites found in the underworld of Coruscant belonged to her. They did no testing of the evidence to prove that she actually had anything to do with it. They, also, ignored her work, during the investigation, with the Jedi investigative droids and the lack of her tampering with the evidence.

Edited by ThePatriot

Have you ever considered the Jedi Council knew she was innocent, but offered her up as a sacrificial lamb?

The Jedi Council can't look weak or divided and it certainly could not look like it was protecting a traitor and a terrorist.

Its just easier to let her be convicted rather then to spend the time energy and political capitol to save her in the middle of a war.

Thats what I keep seeing in Yoda's eyes he knew she was innocent and there was not a **** thing he could do to save her and thats why she left.

Wow the last episode sure has a lot of revelations. Kanan finds out that the Grand Inquisitor was a member of the Temple Guard

I'm not so sure about this.

Looks like he ended up redeeming himself before his death

But what if this wasn't what happened?

Okay, so this is some theory-crafting, but it occurred to me that I was going through a lot of what has been said about the Grand Inquisitor. Dave Filoni has said we have seen the Grand Inquisitor in the Clone Wars cartoon though we may not have known it, and it a lot of people have taken this to mean that he was a masked Temple guard. But I found a news story on Star Wars.com talking about the history of the Inquisitors in the past and introduced the Grand Inquisitor and his voice actor, and it mentioned that this "The British actor Jason Isaacs will provide the voice for the Pau’an dark sider who’s not a Sith and whose facial tattoos seem reminiscent of the tattoos worn by the Son of Mortis in Star Wars: The Clone Wars."

So, it got me thinking. We all believed that the Son and Daughter died in the Clone Wars episode, but what if he didn't? All that the Son wanted was to get out and cause havok in the universe, right? What better way to do that than as an Inquisitor, stamping out the last vestiges of the Order that ruined his home as revenge? It's possible that who we know as the Grand Inquisitor was either the Son of Mortis or an Utapauan who was possessed by the spirit of the Son.

It seems far fetched, but think about this; as Grand Inquisitor he would have been most involved in the methodology of the Inquisitorius, and don't you think the Inquisitors being called "Brother" and "Sister" isn't creepily reminiscent of the whole "Son" and "Daughter" naming?

If it IS true, than the vision that Kanan had becomes all together something else - it would have been the Son manipulating his experience just as he tried to manipulate Anakin and lure him to the Dark Side. Even his act of "knighting" Kanan has sinister connotations to it then.

Edited by Kyla

Interesting theory. It's a little out there, but sounds like a lot of fun.

It seems far fetched, but think about this; as Grand Inquisitor he would have been most involved in the methodology of the Inquisitorius, and don't you think the Inquisitors being called "Brother" and "Sister" isn't creepily reminiscent of the whole "Son" and "Daughter" naming?

I always took the Brother/Sister naming convention as shorthand to indicate the Inquisitors were a monastic order. Sort of like a throwback to old Kung Fu movies where the bad guys had their own corrupt order tasked with rooting out rebels.

I do like how force users seem drawn to each other like magnets, which explains why the rebellion, by the time of ANH, is largely devoid of them.

Okay, that was a pretty good episode. Great humor, nice to see Chopper get some development, and it's intresting to see how much emotion you can get out of droids. And if Alan Rickman wasn't dead and not doing the roll, I could have sworn that Chop's friend was Alan Rickman. Hopefully they keep AP-5 around, that's a pretty solid Double Act they have going on.

Now, they have to send someone back to pick up all those supplies that were cut adrift!

A protocol droid and an astromech walk into a bar... Welcome to the new straight man and his chuckle head sidekick, heheh. And chopper is like Dug from Up... *Squirrel* and he's off.

Okay, that was a pretty good episode. Great humor, nice to see Chopper get some development, and it's intresting to see how much emotion you can get out of droids. And if Alan Rickman wasn't dead and not doing the roll, I could have sworn that Chop's friend was Alan Rickman. Hopefully they keep AP-5 around, that's a pretty solid Double Act they have going on.

Now, they have to send someone back to pick up all those supplies that were cut adrift!

Nice to have another droid to play foil to Chopper. If not a regular, it would nice to have AP-5 be reoccurring like Rex, Ahsoka, and Sato have been this season. I know a lot of people were outing this episode as the filler in the final this of the season, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Wish they'd give that Ugnaught and the Imperial captain names though.

I don't think I've noticed if they used the song before in Rebels, but did the music of Chopper luring the Stormtroopers in the carrier sound a little Indiana Jones-y to anyone else?

And if Alan Rickman wasn't dead and not doing the roll, I could have sworn that Chop's friend was Alan Rickman.

I was definitely getting some slight Marvin vibes from the droid.

Nice to have another droid to play foil to Chopper. If not a regular, it would nice to have AP-5 be reoccurring like Rex, Ahsoka, and Sato have been this season.

At least from the way it was worded in the most recent Rebels Recon , it definitely seems like AP-5 will have a recurring role at the bare minimum. Which is good, since he not only seems like a solid character on his own, but he has a pretty great dynamic with Chopper.

I just saw this review of the most recent episode: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/sorry-star-wars-rebels-chopper-awful-terrible-char-233666 . I like Chopper for many of the reasons elucidated above. He's so different from most droids, and I totally agree with the slight Marvin reference for his friend. I don't see why so many people dislike Chop.

That being said, the episode was a bit flat. It just felt like a filler until the season finale.

I don't think I've noticed if they used the song before in Rebels, but did the music of Chopper luring the Stormtroopers in the carrier sound a little Indiana Jones-y to anyone else?

Oh, it totally sounded like the Market Chase from Raiders. Not the first time the show has done that too, paid homage to Johnny Williams. When they were chasing the Giant Worm with the Walker, the music playing was VERY much the Jaws Chasing-The-Shark music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L_0Sn5BxAo

That being said, the episode was a bit flat. It just felt like a filler until the season finale.

Nothing wrong with giving us a light comedy episode before bringing on the really dark episodes

Edited by Desslok

Just watched the episode. Enjoyed it very much. i like how it gives a look into droid life (especially Chopper's) a little more. AP-5's voice reminded me more of the first Inquisitor more than anything.

So the episode showed that droids CAN resist a restraining bolt. It makes me wonder about droids and restraining bolts. Why are they not built in? Perhaps droid brains are created in such a way that a restraining bolt built in would affect the thought process.

Perhaps droid brains are like organic ones and they need to learn things in a "natural" way. The droid neural pathways have to form first. Restraining maybe have a program built in, like a virus that injects obedient behaviour.