[SPOILERS]: Star Wars: Rebels - Thoughts?

By GM Hooly, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

I think this was my favorite episode of the series so far. I did not see that Temple Guard unmasking coming at all.

I thought it was a nice touch and it resolves what happened to the GI. Looks like he ended up redeeming himself before his death which is a good note to leave the series on.

Well, that was a whole lot of plot crammed into 22 minutes, wasnt it?

Ahsoka gets confirmation about her Master - and man did Ashley ever nail Ahsoka’s perfect reaction when the truth hit her - a mix of horror and despair. Well played. The Inquisitor gets some backstory - and now I really want to know how/why/what his story is - bearing warnings about Ezra falling to the dark side. Considering that it looks like Maul might be a master/mentor, plus what appears to be a Malachor - can a happy ending still be in Ezra's future? At all? It's looking very unlikely. I dug those those clips from Episode 2 and the clone wars - a very cool touch. And then of course this was also part of Kanan's Jedi trials, allowing him to move from Padawan to Knight.

But yeah, Ezra Bridger - who's power is growing way too fast (beasts at the beginning, Yoda's 'hey, chill out', plus Vader being very confidant at the end about his tremors in the Force) - sure seems to be doomed. There's certainly a pall of worry around his every battle from here on out.

Very solid episode!

Malachor is a reference to the KOTOR series. It's the planet where Revan ordered the Mass Shadow Generator to be used and destroyed both the Jedi and the Mandalorians there. My question is why did Yoda send Ezra to a planet that is filled with the dark side?

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As for Ezra's temptation, I don't think he's necessarily doomed to fall to the dark side. The fact that unlike the films which had to cram a lot of story into a fairly short time frame, the TV series can play more with Ezra being tempted by the dark side as opposed to Luke (who flirted with it through most of RotJ) or Anakin (who went from angst-ridden to murderous psycho in record time in the films).

Kanan is in pretty uncharted territory in regards to Ezra's training, since with one very notable exception (which turned out badly) it'd been centuries since a Jedi had taken an apprentice that hadn't already been raised in the Jedi traditions. And Ezra was even older than Anakin and far less impressionable. To say nothing of Ezra being a teenager, with teenagers generally not having the best track record for emotional stability. Consciously or not, Ezra sees mastery of the Force as a means to get payback on the Empire for all the harm and suffering it's put people through, including himself; the way he likely sees it, if the Empire didn't exist, he'd still have his parents (whether that'd be true if the Jedi Order still existed is another story). Yoda's little chat is probably based upon the old master's experience with having seen Anakin grow very powerful very quickly, and hoping to instill a better sense of caution and patience in Ezra so that history doesn't repeat itself.

When are they going to figure out that Chopper has been hacked and is leading the inquistors right to them?

Yoda sent Ezra to the place where he could learn the most about fighting the dark side. Its a test for Ezra and one that Yoda prays Ezra will pass.

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Malachor is a reference to the KOTOR series. It's the planet where Revan ordered the Mass Shadow Generator to be used and destroyed both the Jedi and the Mandalorians there. My question is why did Yoda send Ezra to a planet that is filled with the dark side?

Might be as a form of object lesson to get through the kid's thick skull the lesson he was trying to impart, that for a Jedi fighting isn't the only solution, something that took Kanan a while to grasp during his vision sequence. Or that it's intended as yet another test for Ezra, to see if he can overcome his dark side temptations by having what he wants (power) placed right in front of him in the form of "Old Master" aka Darth Maul and perhaps finally understand that more power is not the solution to all of a Jedi's troubles, and in fact may cause more problems than having vast amounts of power would solve.

Of course, there's no telling what shape Malachor is going to take in SW:Rebels, but I'll be surprised if it shares little more than the name with what was seen in KOTOR2. Especially since the LFL-sanctioned ending was the light side one, where the planet (Malachor 5) was blown up after Kriea's defeat.

On a different note, I found it rather interesting that Kanan and Ezra were able to hold their own against the two Inquisitors at the start of this episode, where before the fights had been decidedly one-sided in the Inquisitors' favor. Both of them seem to have grown in their prowess with a lightsaber, most especially Ezra whose track record against Inquisitors isn't very good. Yeah, they still wound up fleeing but for the most part the Jedi duo did pretty well.

Plus, with Kanan now being a Jedi Knight, that's certainly going to give his confidence in his abilities a boost. Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time. Ahsoka herself has said she's not a Jedi anymore, and it does seem that her days are numbered now that she does indeed know the truth of what happened to Anakin.

Very much enjoyed the episode, it was less rushed than the last few. I'd like to know more about Ahsoka's inner turmoil. Had she really been selfish to leave the Order? I can't tell if she was denying it or admitting it in grief. But I don't buy that it was the wrong decision. She knew something was terribly wrong with the Order, and even with Anakin himself.

Ahsoka herself has said she's not a Jedi anymore, and it does seem that her days are numbered now that she does indeed know the truth of what happened to Anakin.

Her comment about "there is a way", and her brief interaction with Yoda suggests those days may be numbered, but critically important.

Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time.

I'm still sticking to the belief that even if Yoda knew the status of any other Jedi, even if there were a hundred Jedi out there, that he wouldn't tell the Assassin he was honing to go cap Palpatine anything other than "You're it. You fail and the game is over". You don't big up your secret weapon by telling him that there's a dozen more like him waiting in the wings.

Very much enjoyed the episode, it was less rushed than the last few. I'd like to know more about Ahsoka's inner turmoil. Had she really been selfish to leave the Order? I can't tell if she was denying it or admitting it in grief. But I don't buy that it was the wrong decision. She knew something was terribly wrong with the Order, and even with Anakin himself.

Ahsoka herself has said she's not a Jedi anymore, and it does seem that her days are numbered now that she does indeed know the truth of what happened to Anakin.

Her comment about "there is a way", and her brief interaction with Yoda suggests those days may be numbered, but critically important.

My issue with Ahsoka leaving the Order are that she was upset because after doing pretty much everything she could to give the Jedi cause to doubt her innocence she expected them to still just assume she wasn't guilty. Really in TCW Season 5 she was turning her brain off a lot. Even worse was the Gathering arc where she decided leaving the cockpit/bridge of a ship completely unmanned during the biggest war in a thousand years, and with the ship in normal space no less because she wanted to attend story time.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

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Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time.

I'm still sticking to the belief that even if Yoda knew the status of any other Jedi, even if there were a hundred Jedi out there, that he wouldn't tell the Assassin he was honing to go cap Palpatine anything other than "You're it. You fail and the game is over". You don't big up your secret weapon by telling him that there's a dozen more like him waiting in the wings.

This really. Sounds more impaction then "Well, I'm sure there's plenty of Jedi willing to take over if you fail, but to be honest you have the best chance due to a family connection."

On the subject of sending Ezra to Malachor, it is my belief that interpreting Yoda's words concerning fighting, that Yoda knows where Darth Maul is, and is sending Ezra (and Kanan) to take him out. He is a Sith, and as such, he must be defeated or they will rise up again.

Yoda is using Ezra and Kanan as a weapon to take out other foes, while he waits for the knife that is to be Luke to be sharpened. If Ezra and Kanan take out Maul, good, they can attack Vader. If they fall to Vader, there is still Luke to use.

Yoda despite telling Luke he was the last also told Obi Wan that there was another,,

Telling Luke he was the last Jedi may have just been a lie.

Yoda has lots of reasons not to tell luke starting with what we actually saw happen in Return of the Jedi.

I didn't see her do anything to make them doubt her innocence.

I did see a conspiracy doing its best to make her look guilty, and everyone from the Senate to her fellow Jedi being suckered in without hesitation.

As for the other thing... hardly even begins to rival the plot-serving stupidity that most Jedi seem to suffer from off and on...

I didn't see anything she did to make them doubt her innocence. I did however see the Jedi Council do everything to make her not trust their impartiality and that they did not have her back and that they were happily willing to let her be railroaded into prison.

Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time.

I'm still sticking to the belief that even if Yoda knew the status of any other Jedi, even if there were a hundred Jedi out there, that he wouldn't tell the Assassin he was honing to go cap Palpatine anything other than "You're it. You fail and the game is over". You don't big up your secret weapon by telling him that there's a dozen more like him waiting in the wings.

That's generally been my take as well, even before the Great Canon Reset, if not having quite as cynical a bent.

Luke was already wavering and suffering from a lack of confidence that he even could face Vader, much less defeat him. If Yoda had mentioned there were other Jedi around, then Luke would have been far more likely to postpone his fated confrontation with his father in the hopes of passing the buck and thus avoid his destiny. Obi-Wan likely only knew about Leia, but there was no way for Luke to get her trained up in time so once again the burden rests upon Luke's shoulders.

I suspect Yoda also knew (or at least guessed) that things were rapidly reaching a critical juncture, and that if Luke didn't get his hindquarters in gear, it would be much too late for the galaxy. Who knows, maybe Yoda suspected all along that Luke would be able to do what Obi-Wan couldn't and actually reach Anakin through the shroud of the Vader persona and so enable the Chosen One to properly fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith.

As for Ezra's temptation, I don't think he's necessarily doomed to fall to the dark side. The fact that unlike the films which had to cram a lot of story into a fairly short time frame, the TV series can play more with Ezra being tempted by the dark side as opposed to Luke (who flirted with it through most of RotJ) or Anakin (who went from angst-ridden to murderous psycho in record time in the films).

Kanan is in pretty uncharted territory in regards to Ezra's training, since with one very notable exception (which turned out badly) it'd been centuries since a Jedi had taken an apprentice that hadn't already been raised in the Jedi traditions. And Ezra was even older than Anakin and far less impressionable. To say nothing of Ezra being a teenager, with teenagers generally not having the best track record for emotional stability. Consciously or not, Ezra sees mastery of the Force as a means to get payback on the Empire for all the harm and suffering it's put people through, including himself; the way he likely sees it, if the Empire didn't exist, he'd still have his parents (whether that'd be true if the Jedi Order still existed is another story). Yoda's little chat is probably based upon the old master's experience with having seen Anakin grow very powerful very quickly, and hoping to instill a better sense of caution and patience in Ezra so that history doesn't repeat itself.

That really makes sense and explains why Ezra is being sent to Malachor.

I have a feeling Ezra will "fall" at the end of Season 2, and Season 3 will be spent redeeming him.

I have a feeling Ezra will "fall" at the end of Season 2, and Season 3 will be spent redeeming him.

Don't you think Ahsoka's death will be dramatic enough for the end of the season? :o

There is another Apprentice that is showing up that has been long overdue for a horrible death, His Name starts with D and ends with L.

I have a feeling Ezra will "fall" at the end of Season 2, and Season 3 will be spent redeeming him.

Don't you think Ahsoka's death will be dramatic enough for the end of the season? :o

The words I'd associate with that are "predictable to the point of bland" and "disappointing".

There is another Apprentice that is showing up that has been long overdue for a horrible death, His Name starts with D and ends with L.

That's what I've been thinking, the Apprentice isn't necessarily Ahsoka...it could even be Ezra.

Not sure if that's going to become a more ominous thing later on give Yoda's remark of "last of the Jedi, you will be" to Luke in RotJ, or if they're going to stick with Filoni's previous answer of that simply being a case of Yoda not being aware of the status of Kanan or Ezra at that moment in time.

I'm still sticking to the belief that even if Yoda knew the status of any other Jedi, even if there were a hundred Jedi out there, that he wouldn't tell the Assassin he was honing to go cap Palpatine anything other than "You're it. You fail and the game is over". You don't big up your secret weapon by telling him that there's a dozen more like him waiting in the wings.

That's generally been my take as well, even before the Great Canon Reset, if not having quite as cynical a bent.

Luke was already wavering and suffering from a lack of confidence that he even could face Vader, much less defeat him. If Yoda had mentioned there were other Jedi around, then Luke would have been far more likely to postpone his fated confrontation with his father in the hopes of passing the buck and thus avoid his destiny. Obi-Wan likely only knew about Leia, but there was no way for Luke to get her trained up in time so once again the burden rests upon Luke's shoulders.

I suspect Yoda also knew (or at least guessed) that things were rapidly reaching a critical juncture, and that if Luke didn't get his hindquarters in gear, it would be much too late for the galaxy. Who knows, maybe Yoda suspected all along that Luke would be able to do what Obi-Wan couldn't and actually reach Anakin through the shroud of the Vader persona and so enable the Chosen One to properly fulfill his destiny and destroy the Sith.

Remember at the end of TCW S6 Yoda is made aware that there is another Skywalker. He even says to Mace and Obi Wan that they might not see a win in the Clone War but a win for all time. So Yoda is definitely playing the long game and is made to believe that a Skywalker might still fulfill the prophecy.

I have a feeling Ezra will "fall" at the end of Season 2, and Season 3 will be spent redeeming him.

Don't you think Ahsoka's death will be dramatic enough for the end of the season? :o

The words I'd associate with that are "predictable to the point of bland" and "disappointing".

Not at all. I expect her to be killed off but I really like her character so I will really, REALLY be rooting for her to pull through!