[SPOILERS]: Star Wars: Rebels - Thoughts?

By GM Hooly, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Got to say I am getting really annoyed at the number of times someone cuts a hole in something with a Lightsabre. And then climbs through the hole, completely ignoring the red hot molten metal left behind by the cutting.

I'm convinced this is an intentional inside joke, they've been doing this since TCW. The only time anyone has reacted to the heat is the first time that Ezra cuts a hole, he gives a little "ouch" shake of the hand. I guess now he knows exactly how long to wait...part of the "top 10" first lessons of every Padawan :)

Yeah this happened A LOT in TCW, I got used to it after a few seasons.
I've basically gone the opposite way, it didn't bother me that much at first, but every time I see it it annoys me more. Now I'm just filled with anger and hate. :(

I just love the conversations that come up anytime someone with a lightsaber wants kill an armored vehicle.

"But it works on the shows!"

Don't care.

The best and most interesting example of a Lightsaber taking down an armored vehicle is Luke vs the AT-AT. That's the kind of encounters I like to build.

TIE bombers are roomier than I expected.

Got to say I am getting really annoyed at the number of times someone cuts a hole in something with a Lightsabre. And then climbs through the hole, completely ignoring the red hot molten metal left behind by the cutting.

Ezra did pull his hand back after touching his lightsaber made hole in the season one finale.

What was the ship Cham Syndulla used to tow the Tie Bomber around?

I was thinking that would be a cool PC ship with a starship attached for when combat happens.

What was the ship Cham Syndulla used to tow the Tie Bomber around?

I was thinking that would be a cool PC ship with a starship attached for when combat happens.

It was a Nu-Class Attack Shuttle .

The best and most interesting example of a Lightsaber taking down an armored vehicle is Luke vs the AT-AT. That's the kind of encounters I like to build.

I would call that flipping a Destiny Point to bypass the walker's armor. Then again, it's a situational solution for when the objuective is literally "deal with the walker".

The best and most interesting example of a Lightsaber taking down an armored vehicle is Luke vs the AT-AT. That's the kind of encounters I like to build.

I would call that flipping a Destiny Point to bypass the walker's armor. Then again, it's a situational solution for when the objuective is literally "deal with the walker".

Personally, rather than treat it as a normal combat check with the intent to deal damage, perhaps instead have the PC make their combat check at a higher difficulty to inflict a specific effect.

For Luke, it was "slice open an access hatch so I can toss this bomb into the walker's inner workings!" For Kanan, it was "disable the walker's legs so that our ships can make their escape!" With Kanan's case, I'd say he even generated a couple of Triumphs on his checks so the GM let him get away with such an extreme stunt and toppling the walker entirely simply because it looked cool.

With Ezra vs. Mining Guild TIE, the GM didn't want the PCs that were outside of the Ghost to feel useless, so he did much the same, with Ezra managing to score a Triumph on his successful check to disable the TIE, and so opted to let Ezra's younger player have a "cool moment" akin to Kanan's taking out an AT-AT and slice the TIE's wing panel off.

I see the Ranged (Light) check to fire the grappling gun or the Athletics check to hold as it drug him up to be the primary skill roll in that round. I wouldn't have asked for a check to slice open the AT-AT.

All Luke did was cut open an existing hatch.

If he's tried to cut though full armor, I'd have asked for a roll or required extra time.

All Luke did was cut open an existing hatch.

If he's tried to cut though full armor, I'd have asked for a roll or required extra time.

Yet with a fully tricked lightsaber with breach, only a despair could have prevented the cutting, so i can see why a GM wouldn't bother as Lucke wasn't trying to destroy the ATAT with the saber.

I personally think this season has been less than appealing to me personally than the first season. I would rather rationalize the extra inquisitors than things like breathing in a vacuum, magical staves that pilot ships, and padawans that can cut a wing off of a Tie fighter. The saddest part to me is that each episode has all the material present to be good, but then they just do some random crud that makes me lose the immersion of the setting/storry. I liked the interaction with the purrgills and thought it was cool how both Hera and Ezra had story elements with them, but then fighting in what appears to be space (on an asteroid with no atmosphere, or a poisonous one) and slicing down a moving Tie ruined it for me. Of course a young child probably wouldn't notice, but even a teenager has to wonder how? I was looking forward to them expanding Zebs story, but that may be my least favorite episode to date. The warrior, child, joker or whatever non-sense thing was not done very well.

and then the Jedi version of the Kylo lightsaber....really? That is the most innovative thing they could come up with? I hate to say it, but I think just having a different colored regular lightsaber, like Asoka's would have been classier.

Edited by Silverfox13

The biggest issue I've had, thus far, with Rebels is the abbreviated story lines and short episodes. They're cramming entirely too much plot into too short a period of time. This leads to obvious plot twists, immediate solutions and less than stellar character development.

The biggest issue I've had, thus far, with Rebels is the abbreviated story lines and short episodes. They're cramming entirely too much plot into too short a period of time. This leads to obvious plot twists, immediate solutions and less than stellar character development.

Yeah, give me something more like Psycho-pass or Stein's;Gate where not every episode actually reached a conclusion about the situation that was started within the same episode. Let the whole season have more of 1 longer, cohesive story arc (beyond the kind of there "getting the Rebellion going"). Hera gets promoted to leader of Phoenix Squadron... and then spends a ton of stories away from her duties.

Well, that was a pretty solid episode. Just the right amount of story - it didnt feel like a two parter crammed into one part, we got some good character development, found out that Walkers are apparently sealed against space. And are they setting up Agent Kallus for a Heel/Face turn? Looks that way.

I thought the ending was pretty striking too. Up until now, Kallus was this Imperial big shot - but when we see his tiny, spartan room with just a simple bunk. suddenly we see that (at least in the Empire's eyes) that he's just another expendable cog in the vast machine. No one barely shows any interest about Kallus' return or his condition, while Zeb got a warm welcome back from his family. A very nice contrast.

And it's interesting that they mostly built the Death Star at a reasonably out-in-the-open location like Geonosis. I would have figured that it was too high traffic a planet to build a secret weapon. Must have been a pretty wicked blockade the Empire had going.

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Well, that was a pretty solid episode. Just the right amount of story - it didnt feel like a two parter crammed into one part, we got some good character development, found out that Walkers are apparently sealed against space. And are they setting up Agent Kallus for a Heel/Face turn? Looks that way.

I thought the ending was pretty striking too. Up until now, Kallus was this Imperial big shot - but when we see his tiny, spartan room with just a simple bunk. suddenly we see that (at least in the Empire's eyes) that he's just another expendable cog in the vast machine. No one barely shows any interest about Kallus' return or his condition, while Zeb got a warm welcome back from his family. A very nice contrast.

And it's interesting that they mostly built the Death Star at a reasonably out-in-the-open location like Geonosis. I would have figured that it was too high traffic a planet to build a secret weapon. Must have been a pretty wicked blockade the Empire had going.

The show has been rough on those who've turned on the Empire... one turned out to be a double agent (the former official making the broadcasts at the beginning of the series) and one was blown up as part of a frame-job directed at the Ghost crew. And the person who ordered the bombing was Kallus, as I recall.

Geonosis and Tatooine were both galactic backwaters. Since the end of the Clone Wars, I expect the Empire put some very strong trade restrictions on Geonosian exports and imports, so it would be pretty ideal for stealth construction. Out of the way planet, industrious populous capable of advanced technical construction; in a system to which access could be easily controlled. Very ideal.

As for this episode, I really liked it. Possibly the best this season. It also gives a good idea of what life's like for those -in- the Empire. Only the top tier are truly psychotic and they prejudicially promote those like themselves (starting from the Empire down). Most of the rest of the ranks are made up of idealists who get embittered and jaded as they see that the Empire is the only game in town and that game is rigged against decent people. So the choice is embrace the power and get promoted or stand up for principles and get transferred to a backwater or summarily executed. The fact that Kallus is decent might be the reason he got sent to Lothal in the first place.

Well, that was a pretty solid episode. Just the right amount of story - it didnt feel like a two parter crammed into one part, we got some good character development, found out that Walkers are apparently sealed against space.

A fact that made me fistbump my screen! Finally that dumb "I throw a grenade inside that viewhole" can be laid to rest!

Kallus is decent? Didn't he lead the purging of the Lassat homeworld?

I would say honorable is a more accurate description. Yes he did very bad things, but that doesn't necessarily preclude his eventual redemption, since the very core tenant of Star Wars is nobody is irredeemable, no matter how far you've gone.

Edited by Desslok

Many people complain about the stories feeling too rushed. While I get this, I honestly believe that The Zeb'centric episodes are all part of an overarching story. The prophecy about Lirasan did not end in that episode. Many seem to think the prophetic words of we are all the child, warrior and fool just relate to Zeb and finding Lirasan. I believe that the line of the "child will save the warrior" was in relation to THIS episode. Hondo was possibly referenced as the fool setting things in motion.

I expect a battle for Lirasan, where Kallus turns on the empire to rectify the mistake on Lasaan and wanting to wipe out the Lasat. I can ses the empire coming in force to Lirasan and the rebel fleet coming to the rescue. Either as Kallus betrays the empire, of contacts Zeb.

Perhaps the warrior, child, and fool is agent Kallus. Warrior is obvious, but the fool and child aspects could be in regards to his just being a cog in the imperial machine and his naive belief that he is doing the right thing.

If the above is true, i think it would be the way to tie multiple episodes into an arc, without being consecutive.

Kallus is decent? Didn't he lead the purging of the Lassat homeworld?

He just said that it wasn't supposed to be a massacre. Also, in the Empire, which is better: embracing a terrifying, albeit false, narrative about how you led a successful massacre and purge of a troublesome planet OR setting the record straight and explaining that it was all a misunderstanding that quickly escalated out of your control?

Kallus is decent? Didn't he lead the purging of the Lassat homeworld?

He just said that it wasn't supposed to be a massacre. Also, in the Empire, which is better: embracing a terrifying, albeit false, narrative about how you led a successful massacre and purge of a troublesome planet OR setting the record straight and explaining that it was all a misunderstanding that quickly escalated out of your control?

He gleefully embraced it during his fight with Zeb in an earlier episode, including showing off his trophy weapon.

Different circumstances though - one was the heat of battle, where he was trying to get inside the head of his opponent trying to psych them out and get them off balance. Its no different than a football player talking trash to the other team.


Now, Kallus could have been lying to Zeb, trying to control the situation and keep his able-bodied foe from killing him while he was in a weakened state. . . . except that ending shot, where he is all alone and clearly rethinking his stance on Imperial policies and him coming to terms with the epiphany that his 'enemy' is a real person.

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Kallus is decent? Didn't he lead the purging of the Lassat homeworld?

He just said that it wasn't supposed to be a massacre.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but in Season 1 Kallus gloated about how he'd given the order to use the devastating weapons on the Lasat. And when asked by another Imperial about how they didn't think there were any Lasats left, he seemed pleased when he answers "not many".

I don't think there's any way Kallus could be called "decent". That doesn't mean he can't be redeemed.

I didn't like the last episode, first of all it was apparent that it didn't have any money put in it (non descript dark cave, half visible monster etc) but most of all I didn't like the fact that Kallus didn't shoot Zeb in the end.