why was ahsoka on the ghost with the rest of the crew?

Because the ship they were on was about to blow up?

Vader is still the arrogant ass that Anakin always was. There's nothing in that character that wouldn't toy with outclassed enemies.

Vader is arrogant because he is needed to be like that to "sell" the season and bring the kids to watch the series. Vader from the books after the III episode is already different and learning. Vader from the comics chasing Obi-Wan after III episode murdered Jedi Knights at the conclave who set a trap on him without any toying or hesitation. Oopps these books and comics are not canon anymore, this way we can make him stupid and arrogant again and sell more.

Another Making Of video:

Vader is still the arrogant ass that Anakin always was. There's nothing in that character that wouldn't toy with outclassed enemies.

Vader is arrogant because he is needed to be like that to "sell" the season and bring the kids to watch the series. Vader from the books after the III episode is already different and learning. Vader from the comics chasing Obi-Wan after III episode murdered Jedi Knights at the conclave who set a trap on him without any toying or hesitation. Oopps these books and comics are not canon anymore, this way we can make him stupid and arrogant again and sell more.

What a terribly cynical way of looking at things...

I haven't seen the episode yet but...

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties.

Like he toyed with Luke on Bespin? Vader is not 100% devoted to his Emperor, and no doubt secretly chafes under his rule. It's the way of the Sith. Force users who could be turned could give him the leverage he needs. It's doubtful he would approach any Force users with pure destruction in mind, but instead test them, probe them, and see what he can learn.

Aw, damnit - that was it. A one episode special, a one off. Season 2 doesn't start until the fall. Phooey!

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place.

You think? I thought it was real cool and totally in keeping with what we know of him. We see him toy with Luke, Leia and his subordinates quite often in the OT.

also, the solo attack was weird. yeah, he's the best pilot ever... yadda yadda. a single ship of that size vs. a small fleet? nope, sorry, not even in a cartoon.

why was ahsoka on the ghost with the rest of the crew? lazy writing, that's why. there actually is no reason at all for her to join the crew.

I can think of multiple reasons for her to want to join them. Checking out the skills of her new allies. Hanging out with the only other Jedi she knows is still around. And because she likes being a part of the action again. Did you notice that that was the only instance in the show where she smiled? It was the old Asoka shining through. I would not call that sloppy writing at all.

I haven't seen the episode yet but...

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties.

Like he toyed with Luke on Bespin? Vader is not 100% devoted to his Emperor, and no doubt secretly chafes under his rule. It's the way of the Sith. Force users who could be turned could give him the leverage he needs. It's doubtful he would approach any Force users with pure destruction in mind, but instead test them, probe them, and see what he can learn.

He toyed with Luke as he was feeling out and dealing with his son, not some random person.

I haven't seen the episode yet but...

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties.

Like he toyed with Luke on Bespin? Vader is not 100% devoted to his Emperor, and no doubt secretly chafes under his rule. It's the way of the Sith. Force users who could be turned could give him the leverage he needs. It's doubtful he would approach any Force users with pure destruction in mind, but instead test them, probe them, and see what he can learn.

He toyed with Luke as he was feeling out and dealing with his son, not some random person.

Define "some random person". Huge difference between toying with random rebels and not directly killing Jedi including his former Padawan

It was Vader's plan to let the Falcon escape from the Death Star to track it to the Rebel base, and to use the Falcon as bait for Luke in Cloud City. So I'd say he has a history (or will have a history, since Rebels is before all that) of knowing how to best use his enemies against themselves.

Define "some random person". Huge difference between toying with random rebels and not directly killing Jedi including his former Padawan

To be fair - and I too think Vader was showing off and/or toying with them too - while he knew about the Jedi on site, he was unaware about his old Padawan until they started doing the Mind Funkery to him.

Wasn't he focussing on the capital ship before that? I need to rewatch now...

It was an exceptionally good episode, I couldn't fault it. They managed to make Vader scary again, which they've done well with.

Also, RIP Tua - I actually kind of liked you, and it would have been interesting to see her join the Rebels.

I liked the character but the way her voice jarred with her look always bothered me. The character design looks quite youthful whilst the voice is clearly old, verging on elderly. I would be fine with either so long as they matched. (though I think the old version would be more pitiable and moving ultimately).

It was an exceptionally good episode, I couldn't fault it. They managed to make Vader scary again, which they've done well with.

Also, RIP Tua - I actually kind of liked you, and it would have been interesting to see her join the Rebels.

I liked the character but the way her voice jarred with her look always bothered me. The character design looks quite youthful whilst the voice is clearly old, verging on elderly. I would be fine with either so long as they matched. (though I think the old version would be more pitiable and moving ultimately).

Or you just need to realize that your expectations don't always match with reality... for example:

i have to admit i actually was a bit disappointed.

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties. i like the scene where he almost kills ezra, cause that's how i'd imagine such a confrontation. as a merciless killing. the rebels using imaginative tactics, only to be foiled by vader's immense force power was great, but the fight was drawn out too long. he would have had numerous chances to kill kanan (like, every with strike?), but didn't. kanan isn't that strong in the force, so i doubt it was because he felt challenged and honored his opponent (or anything like that). at that time he had no reason to be especially interested in this group of rebels, as ahsoka hadn't entered the picture yet. more on that later.

I had a think about this after re-watching bits. I don't think anything Vader did wasn't actually quite clever on second glance. The assassination was a deliberate ploy to turn people against the Rebels and Rebellion. And it worked. The tracker on the shuttle was a ploy to get them to head back to the fleet. If they had been allowed to escape or even thought they had, they might have taken more precautions. But after being hunted, after nearly dying, after being so focused through fear on simply escape, they did exactly what he wanted. Trying to solo a fleet is a bit of a mystery though, I'll grant that!

Trying to solo a fleet is a bit of a mystery though, I'll grant that!

He didn't want the rest of the party kill stealing and being forced to split the XP and loot.

It was an exceptionally good episode, I couldn't fault it. They managed to make Vader scary again, which they've done well with.

Also, RIP Tua - I actually kind of liked you, and it would have been interesting to see her join the Rebels.

I liked the character but the way her voice jarred with her look always bothered me. The character design looks quite youthful whilst the voice is clearly old, verging on elderly. I would be fine with either so long as they matched. (though I think the old version would be more pitiable and moving ultimately).

Or you just need to realize that your expectations don't always match with reality... for example:

I must be missing something here because I don't get what the video is supposed to mean at all. You think the guy in it shouldn't sound like that based on how he looks? Why not? Anyway, as to expectations and reality, I don't think you have understood. I don't expect the character to be young OR old, I just find it jarring that the two are giving me conflicting information. I've just looked the voice actress up and she's apparently 55 years old. Yet the governor's face looks like she's in her twenties. They don't fit together.

i don't think comparing vader's duel(s) with luke to the fight with the rebels is in any way reasonable. vader wanted to turn luke, he wanted to kill ezra and kanan. he definitely would have killed ezra if kanan had not interfered. quickly and without any "toying". he didn't need or want anything from them, his plan would have worked just as well with them dead. it was obvious that they were not strong enough in the force to pose any danger to him, so learning anything about their abilities seems like a waste of time to me. the duel between vader and kanan seemed totally out of place and unnecessary.

ahsoka didn't join the ghost crew because the ship she was on was close to being destroyed. the ghost went out because phoenix squadron was outmatched. ahsoka coming along was obviously for plot reasons. there was nothing for her to do on the ghost. it would have been easy to include a scene where she sensed something about the tie-pilot. then coming along would have made sense.

noone can tell me with a straight face that a single tie (even vader's personal ship) can attack several cruisers and a battleship and expect to live. that was complete crap. if i remember correctly the cruisers didn't even shoot at him, while he didn't use torpedos or other weapons one might use to attack such a big ship.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course and i might be a little too harsh on the creators, but to me this was one of the weakest episodes yet.

ps: i can also think of many reasons why ahsoka would join the ghost. but the show didn't present a single reasonable one.

i have to admit i actually was a bit disappointed.

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties. i like the scene where he almost kills ezra, cause that's how i'd imagine such a confrontation. as a merciless killing. the rebels using imaginative tactics, only to be foiled by vader's immense force power was great, but the fight was drawn out too long. he would have had numerous chances to kill kanan (like, every with strike?), but didn't. kanan isn't that strong in the force, so i doubt it was because he felt challenged and honored his opponent (or anything like that). at that time he had no reason to be especially interested in this group of rebels, as ahsoka hadn't entered the picture yet. more on that later.

I had a think about this after re-watching bits. I don't think anything Vader did wasn't actually quite clever on second glance. The assassination was a deliberate ploy to turn people against the Rebels and Rebellion. And it worked. The tracker on the shuttle was a ploy to get them to head back to the fleet. If they had been allowed to escape or even thought they had, they might have taken more precautions. But after being hunted, after nearly dying, after being so focused through fear on simply escape, they did exactly what he wanted. Trying to solo a fleet is a bit of a mystery though, I'll grant that!

Not to much of a mystery to me.

Vader is a character defined by his rage and hatred. A capitol ship would be a great way for him to cut loose.

i don't think comparing vader's duel(s) with luke to the fight with the rebels is in any way reasonable. vader wanted to turn luke, he wanted to kill ezra and kanan. he definitely would have killed ezra if kanan had not interfered. quickly and without any "toying". he didn't need or want anything from them, his plan would have worked just as well with them dead. it was obvious that they were not strong enough in the force to pose any danger to him, so learning anything about their abilities seems like a waste of time to me. the duel between vader and kanan seemed totally out of place and unnecessary.

ahsoka didn't join the ghost crew because the ship she was on was close to being destroyed. the ghost went out because phoenix squadron was outmatched. ahsoka coming along was obviously for plot reasons. there was nothing for her to do on the ghost. it would have been easy to include a scene where she sensed something about the tie-pilot. then coming along would have made sense.

noone can tell me with a straight face that a single tie (even vader's personal ship) can attack several cruisers and a battleship and expect to live. that was complete crap. if i remember correctly the cruisers didn't even shoot at him, while he didn't use torpedos or other weapons one might use to attack such a big ship.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course and i might be a little too harsh on the creators, but to me this was one of the weakest episodes yet.

ps: i can also think of many reasons why ahsoka would join the ghost. but the show didn't present a single reasonable one.

The Writers played Saga edition space combat a lot and had Vader spamming the Skim the Surface Maneuver and Destiny points for auto-crits. That's about the only way I can see that scene making any sense and even then it is really not very believable.

I haven't seen the episode yet but...

vader "toying" with his enemies seems out of place. hunting down force users (and killing them) is a huge part of his duties.

Like he toyed with Luke on Bespin? Vader is not 100% devoted to his Emperor, and no doubt secretly chafes under his rule. It's the way of the Sith. Force users who could be turned could give him the leverage he needs. It's doubtful he would approach any Force users with pure destruction in mind, but instead test them, probe them, and see what he can learn.

I haven't seen this episode, either, so this is purely speculation on my part...

But how many Jedi are left in the galaxy 15 years after the execution of Order 66?

Vader's chief joy in life is likely hunting down and killing Jedi. Once he has destroyed the Jedi, there is nothing left for him but bureaucracy and politics and the shadow games of Imperial Center - things that Anakin never particularly enjoyed. And like any hunter, particularly a good one, who has done it for a long period, he knows the greater thrill is in the hunt, not the kill. No sense ending the hunt now, not when he can stretch it out longer... and perhaps crush the hopes and dreams and spirits of the Jedi he is hunting before he casts down their broken bodies at the end of the hunt.

IOW, he's not just arrogant. He's bored. Yes, he could have led a squadron of fighters and bombers to destroy the tiny rebel fleet, but he's not just arrogant enough to believe he can take them on by himself, he's bored enough that it's the only way the whole thing is stimulating. It's like playing a video game on a super easy difficulty level. The only way to make it more challenging is to increase the numbers of the enemy and decrease the amount of support you have going in. And unlike a video game, it's real life, Vader can't just go into the options menu and increase the difficulty of his opponents.

He might just be an icefisher that pulls a fish from the icehole, wrinkles his nose at the fish, and throws it back into the water because it's too small. Once the fish is bigger, he'll be back. And next time the fish may not be so lucky.

He might just be an icefisher that pulls a fish from the icehole, wrinkles his nose at the fish, and throws it back into the water because it's too small. Once the fish is bigger, he'll be back. And next time the fish may not be so lucky.

That's. . . . that's brilliant!

He might just be an icefisher that pulls a fish from the icehole, wrinkles his nose at the fish, and throws it back into the water because it's too small. Once the fish is bigger, he'll be back. And next time the fish may not be so lucky.

That's. . . . that's brilliant!

Of course, if he's convinced that the fish won't get any larger, he'll kill the fish anyway. No sense sparing someone if they're never going to get any more powerful, never become a greater challenge. Never... become worthy of turning to the Dark Side.

Just curiosity, what do you believe that Kanan and Ahsoka are trying to do to Vader with the Force, some kind of distracion?

I think they were trying to identify the pilot, which is why Ahsoka screamed and passed out. She learned just who Vader really is, that being her old master, and how truly evil he has become since she last saw him when she left the Jedi Temple.

ps: i can also think of many reasons why ahsoka would join the ghost. but the show didn't present a single reasonable one.

I guess orhers don't need to have everything spelled out to enjoy a piece of fiction. I would not suggest watching Inland Empire, Mulholland Drive, Inherent Vice or The Tree of Life.