I'm reminded of an old story I heard about a cop and a suspect exchanging fire across the hood of a truck, emptying their clips, and neither scoring a hit. After that I find the stormtrooper's accuracy much easier to tolerate, especially since, given that the area where most episodes take place is a backwater I doubt these guys are the cream of the crop.

Yesterday I saw the last episode of Star Wars Rebels. As many times before I ended up wondering how it can be that stormtroopers, the elite of the Empire military, cannot even hit a mammoth moving in straight line towards them? Aren't they the best?

I got the answer finally!!

Gah!

Stormtroopers are NOT the elite troops of the Empire. They are the standard troops of the empire, with the occasional elite group.

There is also a little thing called plot. If you kill off the main characters, the story ends.

Gah!

Stormtroopers are NOT the elite troops of the Empire. They are the standard troops of the empire, with the occasional elite group.

There is also a little thing called plot. If you kill off the main characters, the story ends.

I won't enter into too much conflict but....

Read first sentence of the wookieepedia entry for Stormtrooper . Wait, I see it is written in past tense! so may be you are right at the end ...

...and yes the plot. I would say a bad plot in this regard. You see? You could claim stormtroopers are not the Elite, say the Empire resources are stretched and the stormtroopers are just the young recruits barely trained with armours produced in mass that barely fit them. Like this few people would comment about the poor aiming skills of stormtroopers. But I guess we are late for this, since old good Ben said once " These blast-points... Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise. "

On the other hand, like it is now, it makes for funny things like the picture I posted or

They only miss regularly when aiming at major characters not grunts, and by Rebels there are few if any Clones left in the Sormtrooper ranks. In Legends Stormtroopers were meant to be elite. In the new canon they are standard Imperial foot soldiers I believe.

there are few if any Clones left in the Sormtrooper ranks. In Legends Stormtroopers were meant to be elite. In the new canon they are standard Imperial foot soldiers I believe.

That could be good for "new cannon" to justify the scenes. Let's see if Disney confirms this in its new movie.

I'm happy that FFG sticks closer to the old ways with Stormtroopers being a cut above Imperial Army grunts.

Is this still a thing amongst Star Wars fans? Stormtroopers missed their shots because they were ordered to miss and let the rebels go. Dead captives can't lead you to a secret base.

Pay attention to this exchange:(quotes copied from imsdb.com)

HAN: Not a bad bit of rescuing, huh? You know, sometimes I even amaze myself.
LEIA: That doesn't sound too hard. Besides, they let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.

HAN: Easy... you call that easy?
LEIA: Their tracking us!

Followed by:

LEIA: We don't have time for our sorrows, Commander. The battle station has surely tracked us here.(looking pointedly to Han) It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape. You must use the information in this R2 unit to plan the attack. It is our only hope.

Don't forget about this:

COMMANDER: Holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the senate.
VADER: I have traced the Rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link to find their secret base!
COMMANDER: She'll die before she tells you anything.
VADER: Leave that to me. Send a distress signal and then inform the senate that all aboard were killed!

It was all Vader's plan for Leia to be rescued so that he could track the secret base and destroy it. Stormtroopers and tie pilots were ordered to make it look real but let them go.

there are few if any Clones left in the Sormtrooper ranks. In Legends Stormtroopers were meant to be elite. In the new canon they are standard Imperial foot soldiers I believe.

That could be good for "new cannon" to justify the scenes. Let's see if Disney confirms this in its new movie.

Disney-Lucasfilm workmen assembling the "new cannon":

I have Stormtrooper Eliteness shown in my games more through function and roles:

• They are always grouped (I tend to not group civilian "thugs" when I can avoid it so this is a thing).
• They are always properly equipped for the mission both being the right "kind" of trooper and carrying any necessary non-standard gear when needed and can't run out of food/water/air/ammo/ect. without a really good reason.
• They are unswervingly loyal and generally cannot be bribed, seduced, negotiated with, or otherwise convinced to knowingly betray the Empire.
• Stormtroopers, while usable Soldiers in any role, are first and foremost shock troops. Whenever the Empire launches an assault, there will be Stormtroopers at the front of it...usually at the middle and end too. Only special circumstances will see an assault conducted without Stormtroopers.

Just finished watching the finale. Once the action ramped up, I was enjoying it the whole time.

Yesterday I saw the last episode of Star Wars Rebels. As many times before I ended up wondering how it can be that stormtroopers, the elite of the Empire military, cannot even hit a mammoth moving in straight line towards them? Aren't they the best?

I got the answer finally!!

Welcome to the reality of 3D... the armor is designed without needing an actor to provide feedback, like... Hey, I can't see... So, you get these oddities.

I wonder if season two will have the Ghost crew moving to a new area? I certainly would if I were in there place after te end of season one. Too much Imperial attention drawn to Lothal IMO

So - Inquisitor dead? Unlikely - that was the most Joker death I've seen in a while. No body was found, nobody died. . . .

And it was weird seeing Ahsoka's new 3D model and a more adult voice from Ashley Eckstein. And man I cant wait for her and Vader to square off. You think she knows (Organa drops a dime on her old mentor?)

Speaking of - awww, we only get 3 or 4 seconds of Vader and no James Earl Jones! Booo!

Ah well, bring on season 2. This was pretty good stuff!

So - Inquisitor dead? Unlikely - that was the most Joker death I've seen in a while. No body was found, nobody died. . . .

It's a kids' cartoon. You're not likely to see the broken body. They don't even have Kainen and Hera kiss at the end, just embrace. Though it's American TV so I suppose intimacy is generally regarded as far worse than violence, but anyway, point is that lack of broken or burned bodies isn't something you should read too much into.

I have to say that I'm disappointed to see Ahsoka return. I kind of hoped she wouldn't. And the thing about this is that I really like her character and the reasons for my disappointment aren't because I don't. How I actually feel is that I thought she had the perfect character arc in TCW and when she walked away I felt that was the perfect ending. Mentally I was picturing her walking away from everything and finding her own path that didn't involve the Jedi or the war. I actually had planned to use her in my game as a future head-cannon adult version. That's messed up now. But I don't think they'll handle her return the way that I like. I think they'll re-do much of the old character when the point of her final episodes in TCW was that she changed. I don't want to see that whitewashed and to just get what I strongly suspect will be the pre-leaving version of her personality back. It throws away something very effective that was achieved in TCW.

I'd say Inquisitor is definitely dead. I imagine he gave up and made that comment about things being worth than death because he knows he's failed so much at that point that even if he survived, that Vader would just completely torture and murder him.

Regarding Ahsoka and Vader meeting, I really hope not. It would just be too horrible. I once started doing a sketch of Vader battling an adult Ahsoka and Vader is saying "Snips...?" and Ahsoka is looking horrified. It was supposed to be funny but it wasn't - it was just horrifyingly tragic so I never finished it. I can't imagine it would be any less traumatic on screen.

I suppose they could emotionally neuter it and just play it in a very non-dramatic fashion but that wouldn't be good either. I really don't want Ahsoka to ever know what became of Anakin and I really don't want to see Vader murder her, either. Their confrontation is just too grim to contemplate.

Firmly in the "glad to see Ahsoka back" camp. Like knasserll, I hope they do not meet, since I do not want her killed by his hand. But... I can't see how they would not do it, given where she's at and where he is...

Well done. I tried more then once to become a fan of TCW series and couldn't. Even with my bias against animation I've still become a fan of Rebels.

I wonder if season two will have the Ghost crew moving to a new area? I certainly would if I were in there place after te end of season one. Too much Imperial attention drawn to Lothal IMO

Tarkin has to be insane with rage. Will Lothal be the new Ghorman?

So - Inquisitor dead? Unlikely - that was the most Joker death I've seen in a while. No body was found, nobody died. . . .

Well, they couldn't exactly show inquisitor bits and chunks splattered all over a wall. The death still looked pretty final for me. And his dying quote was something about Kanan fearing something worse then death that the inquisitor's end will "unleash"? He is probably speaking of Darth. Or are we going to see something like a zombie-Sith (evil version of Jedi ghosts) Inquisitor down the road? I sure hope not.

Having never watched TCW, I can't speak for Ashoka. However, one thing I really enjoyed from this episode is seeing Kanan really go to town against the Inquisitor in a lightsaber duel. I think we see that up to this point, he's had a bit of a confidence problem that affected his overall performance not only in terms of teaching Ezra, but in simply fighting.

It took what he saw as losing everything to give him that kick in the rear he needed. And he not only performs well with Ezra's saber, he shows he's fairly well trained in two weapon combat as well. I especially appreciated him charging the inquisitor firing Ezra's stunner while his saber was in his other hand. It also shows just how quick it is to go from gun to saber mode with Ezra's weapon as well.

I won't enter into too much conflict but....

Read first sentence of the wookieepedia entry for Stormtrooper .

Don't put to much stock in the quality of writing at Wookiepedia

I think having Ahsoka as Fulcrum is a great call, and a natural one. I do hope we get to see some of her personality come through; in the formal introduction we didn't get much chance to see whether or not she's still got it. It adds even more personal depth to the whole saga's storyline that she becomes one of the founders of the Rebellion after Anakin falls.

Besides some minor plot issues, like stealing a ship and the remaining stormtroopers not reporting it (but we all know by now that nothing good come from stoormtropers), it was an excellent episode.

Regarding Ahsoka and Vader meeting, I really hope not. It would just be too horrible. I once started doing a sketch of Vader battling an adult Ahsoka and Vader is saying "Snips...?" and Ahsoka is looking horrified. It was supposed to be funny but it wasn't - it was just horrifyingly tragic so I never finished it. I can't imagine it would be any less traumatic on screen.

1) That sounds horribly awesome, it' a shame you didn't finish it.

2) This has been touched on in interviews and articles, but Vader's view on Ahsoka is probably not such to get that kind of reaction. When you think about Vader, you have to remember his issues and state of mind. He knew he was "the chosen one" and was supposed to be the most powerful Jedi ever. But his padawan had quit the order, he wasn't a Jedi Master even though he probably had the FR to be one, had a secret wife who was also more widely known and respected, was supposed to be amazing with a saber, but was also missing parts, the list goes on.

The point being Vader, while strong and powerful, also sees himself as a failure much of the time. Ahsoka in particular represents a big steaming pile of fail gravy. Failure to train a padawan, failure to become a true master, failure to wipe out all Jedi in O66. Failure is a big point of anger and depression for the man. It even works well into the "later" Vader appearances where we see him tolerating no failures of those under his command. He failed so much earlier on he's not about to fail again, and certainly won't accept it from his subordinates.

More likely we'll see an Ahsoka encounter like this:

Vader: You have embarrassed me for the last time!

Ahsoka: Dude, we just met like two days ago!

Vader: ....your ignorance was always your greatest weakness. You failed as a Jedi, and now you will fail as a rebel leader.

Just watched it, I liked it a lot. That intensity will be hard to follow in the second season but so far it looks like the writers are up to the task.

No, I wasn't necessarily expecting splattered bits of inquisitor everywhere, but an ending like that is often a "Nobody could have survived that!" moment. Not that I'm saying they will or anything, but the door is very open for him coming back in the future.