For a long time, turrets were exclusive to Rebels.

Imperials still have exclusive cloaking tech.

But now imperials are getting a turret.

Will rebels get cloaking?

Will every faction eventually get some equivalent every tech?

FFG wants to maintain faction identity. So if the rebels get a cloaker, it'll be a Rebel-ish cloaker.

I know someone had mentioned a "Stealth X-Wing" on here before, but, IIRC, it was built more along the lines of a F-117 Nighthawk than the TIE Phantom.

Rebs still have exclusive astromechs (yes salvaged are different). They also have more exclusive crew than anyone else...

Did you honestly think they would maintain a monopoly on turrets?

Wish Rebels would get bombs TBH.

Wish Rebels would get bombs TBH.

Most expect one of the Y upgrades for S&V will be some kind of bomb slot, so it's probably coming.

Being someone who puts a lot of store in the lore of the SWU, I think there should be a warrant for technological exclusivity.

For example, the rebels should not get cloaking technology. It's just too rare and expensive. I'm somewhat annoyed that they did the Phantom at all, but that's water under the bridge at this point.

I think that given the Clone Wars being the formative conflict for the Imperial Navy, they would be very hesitant towards giving military technology to droids. While we do know that they have some droids here and there, they're not as widespread as they are among the rebels. More importantly, the droids that the rebels use are there primarily for navigational purposes. Because many of the Empire's fighter craft are not hyperspace capable, they have no need for droids.

I don't welcome the idea of technological exclusivity for the purposes of providing the factions with an identity. Their identity should have another source - mainly that the tactical doctrines and valuation of life are different. The empire doesn't value life. Therefore they shove their pilots into cheap ships in order to outnumber their enemies.

The rebels have to make do with what they can get, but conserving their pilots' lives to live another day is a part of that. Ergo shields.

Scum... well, I've not yet fully wrapped my brain around them yet. What are your thoughts?

Post episode VI, there are Stealth X-wings. Now, don't take my word for the details because this is going off of what I heard at my LGS:

Apparently they weren't the same kind of stealth as the Phantom. Rather, it had no systems. Pilots were usually Jedi, who used the Force to fly instead of technology. The lack of systems meant they didn't show up on radar, and the only way to notice them would be to look out your window. No systems meant no computer targeting and whatnot.

IIRC, there was also some sort of force-guided torpedo that went with it? Basically a giant bomb that the Jedi would telekinetically move towards enemy ships, then set off when it gets close enough.

Again, this is all just what I've heard about, and I've not yet read the books where the Stealth-X is featured.

If anyone knows more, or can amend what I've thrown out here, please do.

Post episode VI, there are Stealth X-wings. Now, don't take my word for the details because this is going off of what I heard at my LGS:

Apparently they weren't the same kind of stealth as the Phantom. Rather, it had no systems. Pilots were usually Jedi, who used the Force to fly instead of technology. The lack of systems meant they didn't show up on radar, and the only way to notice them would be to look out your window. No systems meant no computer targeting and whatnot.

IIRC, there was also some sort of force-guided torpedo that went with it? Basically a giant bomb that the Jedi would telekinetically move towards enemy ships, then set off when it gets close enough.

Again, this is all just what I've heard about, and I've not yet read the books where the Stealth-X is featured.

If anyone knows more, or can amend what I've thrown out here, please do.

Wow, that is the most pants on head retarded concept I have ever heard. No offense to you, but the writers of that. Good gracious.

As for faction tech, we'll keep seeing it. Turrets really shouldn't be- that's just silly. But other stuff, more on the lines of design mentalities regarding the same subject, should be.

In Halo 2 and proceeding games, the Battle Rifle and the Covenant Carbine (BR-55 and Type-51 respectively) were very similar weapons, filling just about the same role. They were however, significantly different weapons. One fired burst and the other was semi auto, per rount the Carbine was more powerful, but the BR was more powerful per squeeze. It did however have only 12 squeezes in comparison to the Carbine's 18. They were very different feeling and looking weapons filling roughly the same role, and in the end whether or not you wanted to use it was based entirely on mindset.

EDIT: It's like the TIE/SR scout being a counter to the HWK. It's a 1 firepower support ship, but it's a very different kind of support ship. Stat wise and size wise, it's fairly similar, but also very different.

The scum are in in for the money. To them the only value of life is how much money they can get for it. They will use any tech that gives them an advantage regardless of how dangerous it is. They aren't as well financed as the Empire or even the rebellion, so they have to make due with seconds sometimes and they tend to be less skilled in a stand up fight. They use tricks and tactics that other more civilized people would balk at. Many of them are mercenary ex soldiers that thought they could make more money going it on their own. They are as likely to see others of their own faction as competition than as an ally. Likely to have lots of negative effects on the enemy ships out there but few ships that help their allies. Unique tech gives them unique top level abilities as well. Only the most ruthless scum tend to prosper, but you can't spend money if you're dead so don't expect too many heroes in S&V either.

Imperials still don't have Ion Cannon Turret or Blaster Turret. So here is a list of exclusives or lacking for rebels and imperials.

Wave 5 faction exclusives

Imperials

• Bombs
• Auxiliary Firing Arc
• Cloaking action (& modifications)

Rebels

• Droids
• Turret Upgrades
• Huge Ships (only for epic)

after wave 6 there will be some changes so from what we know.

Imperial

Exclusives

• Cloaking

lacking

• Droids
• Turret upgrades

Rebel

Exclusives

• Huge Ships (not for standard)

lacking

• Auxiliary Firing Arc

Scum & Villainy

Exclusives

• Elicit Upgrades

lacking

• ships (until wave 6 is out )

That's right about the Stealth-X's, they were Stealth in that they had no systems, i.e., no targeting software to alert targets they were being acquired AND no communications because the Jedi can communicate through the force.The comparison to the F-117 is apt. It's actually a basic X-wing that relies on JEDI to be perfect ambush craft. Put a non-force sensitive pilot into it and it turns into an X-wing trainer with no way of talking to the outside world. So it really has no place in the game unless they allow for Jedi pilots. But for that to happen it has to be wayyyy into the future and past the game's intended era.

So no, not likely unless it is forced. Oh hey, no pun intended.

Apparently they weren't the same kind of stealth as the Phantom. Rather, it had no systems. Pilots were usually Jedi, who used the Force to fly instead of technology. The lack of systems meant they didn't show up on radar, and the only way to notice them would be to look out your window. No systems meant no computer targeting and whatnot.

So, basically just X-Wings with Stealth Device?

Stealth x-wing don't cloak they are painted black to reduce visibility and have a lower sensor signature so they'd be an x-wing with three agility.

But I think that comes at a cost they'd be weaker on attack.

Surely they also lose target lock action. But possibly gain evade?

R22: We already have Luke and Corran as Jedi pilots.

Mikael: Not quite. Stealth X's get their stealth from a lack of technology as opposed to stealth tech

Billiskner: That would certainly make sense. No targeting computer = no target lock. I'm not sure they'd get the evade though; it has to take a lot of focus just to fly that thing, so fancy maneuvers wouldn't necessarily be easy. However, force-assisted flying could make it easier because they aren't limited to going forward...Interesting to think about.

Post episode VI, there are Stealth X-wings. Now, don't take my word for the details because this is going off of what I heard at my LGS:

Apparently they weren't the same kind of stealth as the Phantom. Rather, it had no systems. Pilots were usually Jedi, who used the Force to fly instead of technology. The lack of systems meant they didn't show up on radar, and the only way to notice them would be to look out your window. No systems meant no computer targeting and whatnot.

IIRC, there was also some sort of force-guided torpedo that went with it? Basically a giant bomb that the Jedi would telekinetically move towards enemy ships, then set off when it gets close enough.

Again, this is all just what I've heard about, and I've not yet read the books where the Stealth-X is featured.

If anyone knows more, or can amend what I've thrown out here, please do.

The stealth X had a a dull black fiberplast body with small white or colored specks on it. It was smaller than most if not all X-Wings that were built before and after it.

The coloring alone wasnt enough to make it stealthy, it also carried Sensor negators, which IM guessing is much better than the ecm equipment used on most other craft.

It was equiped with a Gravitic modulator, which stops all sensors that deal with detecting bodies of gravity from working.

It came with a Photon absorber, which wasnt as good as a full fledged cloaking device, although it should be able to hamper laser targeting systems and LASER weapons that fire unaltered / unmodified LASER beams like what the CIS and some Imperial Army vehicles use.

Its got a Thermal dissipator

Lastly its turbos were redesigned, like most the body to hold all the special ecm equipment its carring, to use a special isotope of Tibanna gas that made its Ion emissions cool in a couple milliseconds.

The XJ7 also has some stealth capabilites but its not really touched upon in any source books.

UnfairBanana:

In fact while at it why not take away focus and target lock both? Give all StealthX

"When rolling attack/defence dice, you may receive a stress token to convert all [eye] results to [hit]/[evade] results, you may not use this ability if you have any stress tokens

When you would receive a stress token, if you already have 2 stress tokens, discard it immediately".

Their Action bar could have Evade/Boost.

This gives them the effect of having focus without having a focus token.

Mikael: Not quite. Stealth X's get their stealth from a lack of technology as opposed to stealth tech

Well, yes, but it's close enough for government work. I don't think they should come out with something new in order to capture the Stealth-X.