Gemmer Sojan.

The card text says: "While you are at Range 1 of at least 1 enemy ship, increase your agility value by 1."

Does that mean proton rockets are 6 dice at range 1?

Also a stealth device could make that 7? And Jan could make 8?

Does that mean proton rockets are 6 dice at range 1?

No because Proton Rockets say you can add a max of 3 dice to it.

Does that mean proton rockets are 6 dice at range 1?

No because Proton Rockets say you can add a max of 3 dice to it.

This. It'd be freaking awesome, but sadly, we're limited to only three.

Okay, counter question...

Does this explicitly rule out Pilot Jan from adding her ability on top of the 3 dice? The way it's written, as badly interpreted by me, would be that the 3 additional dice limiter comes from the Agility value alone. It seems to me that it's still possible to add more dice from other EPTs or upgrade cards. Yes? No?

yes the card limits the number of dice you can add from your agility. Jan can still add more dice, as can Opportunist and other abilities.

Agreed. I don't see any reason to read the "to a maximum of 3 additional dice" as a universal limit rather than something related to the agility boost.

Agreed. Makes more sense that this wouldn't take away from Jan.
Essentially, the order would be :

2 (base) + to a maximum of 3 + 1 (Jan) + maybe Opportunist if ya wanted.

7 dice rocket? ;D

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Was just about to say, that was Marksmanship

As I read proton rockets it is base 2 attack dice + up to 3 more for agility, for a max of 5 attack dice.

But I did roll 7 defense dice for Gemmer last night: 3 agility + 1 stealth device + 1 for being within range one of a different opponent + 1 for range three from the attacker + 1 for an asteroid. It was quite enjoyable to have to borrow an extra dice from my opponent. Needless to say, he missed.

Max allowed on proton rockets from agility bonus is 5 as stated on the upgrade card. Jan Ors (pilot) can add to an attack to make it 6 as it modifies any attack.

However since we are asking what is the maximum number of dice per attack keep in mind that this is generally only for 1 attack and often a secondary weapon that will discard itself. Rolling 7 or 8 dice an attack may be cool but if you get say 4 hits and 3 were evaded then "woosh" it is gone like that and coolness factor disappears.

Sorry to change the subject a little here, but on the theme of proton rockets...are these not a bit over powered at a cost of just 3 points? You don't even have to spend the focus token to use it therefore being able to use the token during the attack right?

I would argue that they only seem overpowered because they're the first missile not to be underpowered.

Sorry to change the subject a little here, but on the theme of proton rockets...are these not a bit over powered at a cost of just 3 points?

No, they are not.

The first few missiles/torpedoes for 4 or 5 points were too expensive for competitive use. Recent releases include missiles/torpedoes for 2 or 3 points which might, just might, be competitive.

Also note that the ships which get maximum use out of proton rockets (A-Wing and M3-A) pay five points instead of three. The only ship which gains two attack dice for only three points is the TIE Advanced. Which just happens to be overpriced. The combination of TIE Advanced plus proton rockets is probably priced fair.

Agreed. Every other missile is sooo many points for a one-shot weapon. I'm glad they finally realize this, and are making missiles that are actually viable.

However, it may also be a result of how limited they are. How many ships can effectively use them? A-wings and the TIE Advanced, obviously. The Defender is already very pricey. Other missile platforms include the TIE bomber, Z-95, Firespray, and YT-2400 who have only 2 agility for a total of four dice (which is rather unimpressive) and the Falcon, which...would be a waste.

You don't even have to spend the focus token to use it therefore being able to use the token during the attack right?

This seems to be correct.I've been way too conditionalized for spending target locks it seems

And read again this with open eyes. You are right. No need to use the focus token My bad.

You don't even have to spend the focus token to use it therefore being able to use the token during the attack right?

This seems to be correct.I've been way too conditionalized for spending target locks it seems

Yes I am so used to doing that too....so much that I have been spending tokens on ion pulse missiles and homing missiles when I haven't needed to!

Sorry to change the subject a little here, but on the theme of proton rockets...are these not a bit over powered at a cost of just 3 points?

No, they are not.

The first few missiles/torpedoes for 4 or 5 points were too expensive for competitive use. Recent releases include missiles/torpedoes for 2 or 3 points which might, just might, be competitive.

Also note that the ships which get maximum use out of proton rockets (A-Wing and M3-A) pay five points instead of three. The only ship which gains two attack dice for only three points is the TIE Advanced. Which just happens to be overpriced. The combination of TIE Advanced plus proton rockets is probably priced fair.

How do A-wings/M3-A pay more for the proton rockets?

Yeah actually now you mention it, some of the missiles are really over priced. As I have played many 200 point games, I do like to add some assault missiles to plough into a group of Ties. Can't see me getting them into many 100 point builds though !

How do A-wings/M3-A pay more for the proton rockets?

Yeah actually now you mention it, some of the missiles are really over priced. As I have played many 200 point games, I do like to add some assault missiles to plough into a group of Ties. Can't see me getting them into many 100 point builds though !

A-Wings give up on taking the Refit (at -2 points) in order to take the missiles, making them net 5 cost.

How do A-wings/M3-A pay more for the proton rockets?

Yeah actually now you mention it, some of the missiles are really over priced. As I have played many 200 point games, I do like to add some assault missiles to plough into a group of Ties. Can't see me getting them into many 100 point builds though !

A-Wings give up on taking the Refit (at -2 points) in order to take the missiles, making them net 5 cost.

And the M3-A has to take the Heavy Scyk upgrade before it can take the missile, which is also a net 5 cost*.

* The Heavy Scyk is 2, isn't it?

I think these would be good for even 2-agility ships. still a point less than other 4-die Missiles, and you don't have to commit to a specific enemy with target lock. And you get to keep the focus.

Take the Tie Bomber, it's challenge is getting a meaningful target lock. Solved, and cheaper, too.

Z-95, Still better than other missiles. 4 dice at 3 pts with focus built in. Sure.

The range 1 limit kind of makes up for the low cost compared to other missiles and makes it harder for slower less agile ships to get them launched.

2 str + 3 agility dice +1 range + any other bonuses. So yeah, on an A-wing at least 6.