Almost certainly.

Tons of games i can think of improved with a 2nd edition that took into light odd stuff that cropped up over a few years play.

Cyberpunk springs to mind, the original 2013 setting was a good RPG, the 2020 edition was *much* better and more well thought out.

Likewise 'warhammer' was 'bitty' until 3rd ed where it became properly good and *arguably* 4th ed made it easier to play in an evening by taking out some of the hyper detail.

Second: the game is only three years old. That's far too young for a reboot to be a serious possibility.

How many years between editions of the Warhammers?

A more relevant question would be how many years was it before FFGs Descent went to a second edition?

At least they were decent enough to provide a conversion kit for migrating your existing first edition material over to second. (Of course, it seems generally agreed that the conversion kit material wasn't ideally balanced, in that instance.)

I wouldn't be opposed to an X-wing Miniatures Second Edition, but I do hope it doesn't come too soon and that they do a good job of letting us play with our current toys while we start down the dark path of (effectively) re-purchasing everything if they do it.

I was thinking about this at work today.

Eventually, after the new movies have all been released, and after a whole new EU evolves, what do you think the chances are that FFG will (have) re-boot(ed) the game?

Although I am not a big fan of the prequels, I think it would be pretty cool if FFG released factions from the prequels some time before or during the releases of the new trilogy. With the release of the prequel factions they could reboot the rules with wording clarification and point cost balancing.

As time goes on, they could start re-releasing the original trilogy factions, but this time with the new rules re-boot, clarified language, and balanced point costs. However with these releases they could follow the new cannon.

Eventually they could move on to the new trilogy with what ever factions there may be, and as pre-prequel material is recreated, they could release factions from that as well.

IMO, this could fix a lot of issues, at the same time adding a lot more diversity to the game. Just think of all the factions that could eventually be available for competitive play!

Jedi, Sith, Old Republic, Separatists, Rebels, Imperial, Scum and Villainy, New Republic, and what ever new factions that may come to be.

Of course before this, I would like to see the game, as it is now, have its rules clarified and its factions "balanced" out with available ship choices and upgrade options. In a sense, finish making this original release "complete."

Would anyone else like to see this or something similar happen, so as to stick to what will be the new cannon?

We've covered this extensively several times before. Most recently, the FFG CEO stated at GenCon 2014, "More generally we're looking at the sort of game as it is, the Galactic Civil War going way forward". He also mentioned Rebels, which is at the outset of the Civil War, and said they would consider something from it.

Sorry, but there won't be a Prequel era in the current game. Watch and read more here: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/114870-no-prequel-ships-settled/

Yep. And Lucas also said he would never let anyone else make Star Wars movies. Money can be a powerful motivator for change.

I rpg'd D&D back in 2000 when it was version 3. 3 years later, after I bought all the books, they went and upgraded it to 3.5. I thought "ok, only an upgrade why not get the better version". Then they went with version 4.0 in theory in 2005 and rolled it out in 2007. I quit after that. Now they have version 5.

4 versions in 12 years.

I'm so much happier with boardgames now.

has a reboot EVER made anything better??

Speaking as IT person, yes it's almost daily that I find that a reboot makes things better. Even if it's just to get away from that person, which normally buys me 20 or so minutes.

Money can be a powerful motivator for change.

He gave a lot of it away... Not that he really needed it in the first place. George didn't sell to Disney just for the money, I'm sure the death threats had a lot to do with him wanting to wash his hands of the whole thing.

That's all Wizards of the Coast. 2nd edition AD&D ran for 10 - 11 year under TSR.

And in that 10-11 years they released how many supplemental books? Just because they didn't update the core rules didn't stop them from publishing a ton of other stuff to help the bottom line.

I don't want them to start completely anew. That's a lotta stuff to re-buy. I envy wargamers because it looks so fun, and this is affordable. I love x-wing, but couldn't afford to re-buy everything. I'd much rather they put out a sort of "patch kit" if they want to redo stuff.

I enjoy the way they've handled rebalances so far, with the A-wing and soon the Y-wing. There's also an Advanced fix in the works, judging by the GenCon interview. If they wanna keep releasing Aces packs, I'm all for it. If they want to start the game over, then...I think my collection will be done growing.

That's all Wizards of the Coast. 2nd edition AD&D ran for 10 - 11 year under TSR.

And in that 10-11 years they released how many supplemental books? Just because they didn't update the core rules didn't stop them from publishing a ton of other stuff to help the bottom line.

As I said, they went nearly bankrupt because of it. Sales of the supplements and campaign settings slowed and started loosing money. That's when WOTC came in, and started releasing a reboot every few years.

Let's not compare this game with GW. Reboot and remove me from the player roster.

You would still have the original version to play. But if it drops off, you may not have a roster to be on, other then with friends maybe. I don't want this to be like GW. Not at all. I've got thousands of dollars in GW models and figs that have done nothing but collect dust over the last decade because I refuse to buy anymore "Editions". But nobody plays the old school rules anymore.

Playing with friends is the way it should be anyway. You can still find players of defunct games, especially amongst friends. The people I know that I play 40K with use Rogue Trader or 2nd Edition. We still play Space marine 2nd Edition/Adeptus Titanicus (Epic). My last GW game I bought was Dark Future (published back in the 80's). The best thing about playing a ruleset no longer in production is that nobodty will come along and ruin it with unnecessary changes.

I hope not.

Sorry, but I can't hold it back any longer. Its not called a reboot, it's called getting a new edition. There, I've said it. It's out of my system and we can now return to normal.

has a reboot EVER made anything better??

Speaking as IT person, yes it's almost daily that I find that a reboot makes things better. Even if it's just to get away from that person, which normally buys me 20 or so minutes.

Money can be a powerful motivator for change.

He gave a lot of it away... Not that he really needed it in the first place. George didn't sell to Disney just for the money, I'm sure the death threats had a lot to do with him wanting to wash his hands of the whole thing.

That's all Wizards of the Coast. 2nd edition AD&D ran for 10 - 11 year under TSR.

And in that 10-11 years they released how many supplemental books? Just because they didn't update the core rules didn't stop them from publishing a ton of other stuff to help the bottom line.

Yeah Lucas gave most of it to charity, didn't he? But the main point was, things change, and money can help about that change. I think prequel ships will show up sooner or later. Maybe not in this edition though.

We'll get a second edition at some point but I'd imagine it's a few years off yet, even if your gonna do S&V the starter still has all the templates and token plus damage deck so isn't bad value plus you can trade starter ships with a friend.

At the moment original rules and cards still work 9/10 without issue and ffg is pretty good for erettas, though I'd love them to make missiles and torps more useable.

Weather the game withers away and dies or flourishes can't players tweak the game how they see fit right now. If a group of players have a problem with ship X then tweak it how your group sees fit. Why does something have to be officially fixed by FFG to make something fun to play.

Weather the game withers away and dies or flourishes can't players tweak the game how they see fit right now. If a group of players have a problem with ship X then tweak it how your group sees fit. Why does something have to be officially fixed by FFG to make something fun to play.

Because it causes more problems than it solves. As a new player, if I saw that you had "tweaked" a number of things to fix the balance, I would seriously consider not bothering with the game, as that is a bad indication of its balance.

Then what happens when someone (or multiple someones) from another play group visits who thinks the game is fine as is, and thinks your group is insane for mucking with it? Or that in trying to fix one thing you've broken something else?

Everything works better when everyone is on the same page.

The game is still selling way, way, way to well for them to even consider a 2nd edition any time soon. And quite honestly, if this game isn't selling that well, then there is a good chance they would rather not renew the license, unless the RPG is selling that well or Imperial Assault is a hot seller. And seeing as they haven't created a second edition for AGOT LCG, which has a lot, LOT more issues than this game has, I don't see it happening any time soon.

Weather the game withers away and dies or flourishes can't players tweak the game how they see fit right now. If a group of players have a problem with ship X then tweak it how your group sees fit. Why does something have to be officially fixed by FFG to make something fun to play.

Because it causes more problems than it solves. As a new player, if I saw that you had "tweaked" a number of things to fix the balance, I would seriously consider not bothering with the game, as that is a bad indication of its balance.

Then what happens when someone (or multiple someones) from another play group visits who thinks the game is fine as is, and thinks your group is insane for mucking with it? Or that in trying to fix one thing you've broken something else?

Everything works better when everyone is on the same page.

Exactly. Plus, I can see one person's fix as being another person's crutch. For instance, I happen to think A-wings are fine and that Rebel Aces made them a little too powerful, but some people think it made the A-wing better. Everyone has a different opinion on what the game needs to fix it, so while house rules are okay, they're not the best solution.

Personally, I'm just glad that FFG playtests their games enough that it's pretty balanced, unlike how GW is with Warhammer.

Yeah, I think it will be some time, if ever, before a 2nd edition release. My guess is that if they ever do, it will be to allow the game to "fit" new content. If the new movies end up being awsome and full of new kick *ss ships that most players will want, then a new edition following the all new cannon would be the answer. IMO.

And other then for senarios, I would have no issue with playing factions from different eras against each other. I would love to have that kind of variety in this game. I think instead of paper, rock, scissors, lizard, Spock, you would have paper, rock, lizard, Spock, stick, grape, sock, tack, hat, clothe, goop, gas. Or something of the like.

Let's not compare this game with GW. Reboot and remove me from the player roster.

You would still have the original version to play. But if it drops off, you may not have a roster to be on, other then with friends maybe. I don't want this to be like GW. Not at all. I've got thousands of dollars in GW models and figs that have done nothing but collect dust over the last decade because I refuse to buy anymore "Editions". But nobody plays the old school rules anymore.

Playing with friends is the way it should be anyway. You can still find players of defunct games, especially amongst friends. The people I know that I play 40K with use Rogue Trader or 2nd Edition. We still play Space marine 2nd Edition/Adeptus Titanicus (Epic). My last GW game I bought was Dark Future (published back in the 80's). The best thing about playing a ruleset no longer in production is that nobodty will come along and ruin it with unnecessary changes.

exactly this, we have a group of friends who all play Rogue Trader era 40k (with a few 'necromunda' era house rules), and lots of other old systems. We play old edition 3rd edition warhammer as we prefer it as a game.

Far from 'nobody plays the old editions' you couldnt be further from the truth. Dissatisfaction with GW has led to a very healthy and growing 'oldhammer' movement where people are *only* interested in 'pre muck up' GW stuff.

Here, very healthy FB group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/400319303383363/?fref=ts

I think prequel ships will show up sooner or later. Maybe not in this edition though.

A couple things...

Part of what you're saying seems to assume they would need to start selling prequel ships to make money, and so far FFG has managed to find a way to turn plastic into gold. Everything they make sells and sells well.

Once the new movies start coming out, they'll have a whole new set of ships to make, ones that are featured in current movies.

Then there's the fact that Disney doesn't seem to want anyone to do anything with prequels anymore. I can't provide a quote but I've heard more then once they've told all license holder to scrap any projects for prequel stuff, but they could continue to work on stuff already being produced.

Plus FFG has said X-Wing is the Galactic Civil War and going forward. There will be no prequel ships. http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/114870-no-prequel-ships-settled/

Let's not compare this game with GW. Reboot and remove me from the player roster.

You would still have the original version to play. But if it drops off, you may not have a roster to be on, other then with friends maybe. I don't want this to be like GW. Not at all. I've got thousands of dollars in GW models and figs that have done nothing but collect dust over the last decade because I refuse to buy anymore "Editions". But nobody plays the old school rules anymore.

Playing with friends is the way it should be anyway. You can still find players of defunct games, especially amongst friends. The people I know that I play 40K with use Rogue Trader or 2nd Edition. We still play Space marine 2nd Edition/Adeptus Titanicus (Epic). My last GW game I bought was Dark Future (published back in the 80's). The best thing about playing a ruleset no longer in production is that nobodty will come along and ruin it with unnecessary changes.

exactly this, we have a group of friends who all play Rogue Trader era 40k (with a few 'necromunda' era house rules), and lots of other old systems. We play old edition 3rd edition warhammer as we prefer it as a game.

Far from 'nobody plays the old editions' you couldnt be further from the truth. Dissatisfaction with GW has led to a very healthy and growing 'oldhammer' movement where people are *only* interested in 'pre muck up' GW stuff.

Here, very healthy FB group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/400319303383363/?fref=ts

Well you may know people who play yhe old stuff, but where I am, all the gamers I know are all about the current stuff. My favorite game hands down is Necromunda, and I have a vast collection of it. But I've asked around at the shops here and nobody knows of anyone who still dabble in old material.

If they totally reboot where I have to buy everything all over again, then I am out. Can't afford to do that right now.

Plus FFG has said X-Wing is the Galactic Civil War and going forward. There will be no prequel ships. http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/114870-no-prequel-ships-settled/

The part to read is

" We're not planning on integrating anything per se in the style of, for example, the Clone Wars cartoon, but with that said, vehicles, characters, storylines, etc that came out of that, those cartoons are part of Star Wars IP [intellectual Property license] in general, and I can't speak whether some of those ships that are shown today were maybe in the cartoon"

So stylistically, no, the game will not mimic the cartoon. The prequel/CW ships are in the universe, so they can if they want to.

Because money.