B-Wing/E2 Crew possibilities

By Papamambo, in X-Wing

Lando is 3 points

Yep, he is; I assumed 4 with the extra point for the E2 modification, since we're talking about B-Wings. On a B-Wing, Lando's effective cost is 4 points.

Lando does not guarantee the action you want, there are plenty of situations where one or two evades are usless and some where two focus are subpar, this also applies to the single focus/evade results; don't help the dark side. If you are using experimental interface you are not on a bwing as they take the same slot, stressing a yt is just a bad idea with out a predictable plan.

All true, 4 points is a lot for an upgrade, and I can understand being especially wary about it when it won't be useful every single turn. And I probably wouldn't put him on a B-Wing unless I'm also bringing PTL or Cracken to ensure I'm getting the action I want every turn.

there are plenty of situations where one or two evades are usless and some where two focus are subpar, this also applies to the single focus/evade results

Right, but the only cases I can think of where those are true are turns where no enemies have an arc on your B-Wing. On those turns, all you need is a single focus and/or target lock. So just skip Lando those turns and take a normal action. Again, I understand if you don't like expensive upgrades that are occasionally unusable, but it's no different in that respect from another 4-point defensive upgrade, Sensor Jammer.

I tried Tactician + Ion Cannon a while back, and it was fun.

All true, 4 points is a lot for an upgrade, and I can understand being especially wary about it when it won't be useful every single turn. And I probably wouldn't put him on a B-Wing unless I'm also bringing PTL or Cracken to ensure I'm getting the action I want every turn.

there are plenty of situations where one or two evades are usless and some where two focus are subpar, this also applies to the single focus/evade results

Right, but the only cases I can think of where those are true are turns where no enemies have an arc on your B-Wing. On those turns, all you need is a single focus and/or target lock. So just skip Lando those turns and take a normal action. Again, I understand if you don't like expensive upgrades that are occasionally unusable, but it's no different in that respect from another 4-point defensive upgrade, Sensor Jammer.

Sure; I'm not saying that he is definitively a bad choice. When Lando works, it's fantastic. There's just too many variables and chances for it to go wrong for my blood. I'd rather have reliable, if less spectacular upgrades. But for someone else, Lando might be more appealing.

Honestly, I don't really like any of the crew options on the B-wing. None of them look to do enough to justify the extra points I'll be handing my opponent when they inevitably kill the thing.

I don't know; I think it gives us the opportunity to make a ship that has high combat potential and still has support ability. right now the go-to rebel support ship is the HWK, which needs a further points investment of 4-5 points to buy a turret if it is going to be useful offensively. The commonly-equipped crew upgrades like gunner are probably indeed too expensive for a B-Wing, but there are a lot of under-used crew like intelligence agent that fit very well on a B-Wing.

You could address survivability by including Biggs in a squad, and you could use B-Wing crew such as Jan Ors to keep Biggs alive longer, (an evade is better statistically than a focus token on Biggs) without investing directly in Biggs. This way when Biggs inevitably goes down, you don't lose the investment - the Jan Ors crew, that made him more resilient. Then you can apply Jan Ors' ability to keeping the rest of your squad alive.

Consider this list:

Biggs

Garven Dreis

Blue w/ E2 Jan Ors

Blue w/ E2 Intel Agent (or some other 24 point ship)

Biggs is a Damage sponge, taking a focus action that becomes an evade via Jan Ors, and later picking up a focus token from Garven Dreis, significantly increasing his survivability. When Biggs goes down, Garven can now essentially pass evade tokens or focus tokens depending on the situation to the two B-Wings. Evade tokens on 1 agility ships are much much better than defensive focus tokens.

Friends don't let other friends use Biggs.

Kids remember weatons law.

Friends don't let other friends use Biggs.

Kids remember weatons law.

I did feel a little dirty about that... Just proving a point that the B2 is going to be useful!

Once Rebel Aces comes out, you can use your Ten Numb card as a book mark, or put it in your bicycle spokes. There will be no reason to take him over Keyan.

I disagree with this. I'm still planning on using him with Etahn in a list with VI. He'll fire before Phantoms and get a crit to go through no matter if it's cloaked or not.

As for crew, I'm thinking:

Nera Dantels (26)

B-Wing/E2 (1)

Tactician (2)

Munitions Failsafe (1)

Flechette Torpedoes (2)

This will cause 2 stress against anyone she shoots at with her Torpedoe. Even if she goes after Phantoms, she will cause two stress and they won't be able to uncloak and cloak again. You can just fire shot after shot. You might want to take a 2nd Flachette on the odd chance you hit.

Works against ships other than Phantoms by causing them stress, other than large ships, of course.

Once Rebel Aces comes out, you can use your Ten Numb card as a book mark, or put it in your bicycle spokes. There will be no reason to take him over Keyan.

I disagree with this. I'm still planning on using him with Etahn in a list with VI. He'll fire before Phantoms and get a crit to go through no matter if it's cloaked or not.

As for crew, I'm thinking:

Nera Dantels (26)B-Wing/E2 (1)Tactician (2)Munitions Failsafe (1)Flechette Torpedoes (2)

This will cause 2 stress against anyone she shoots at with her Torpedoe. Even if she goes after Phantoms, she will cause two stress and they won't be able to uncloak and cloak again. You can just fire shot after shot. You might want to take a 2nd Flachette on the odd chance you hit.

Works against ships other than Phantoms by causing them stress, other than large ships, of course.

You can't take Bwing/E2 and munitions fail safe as they take up the same slot. Also tactician only works in your front fire arc so I'm not sure how effective that dantels build will be. I'd prefer an ion cannon + tactician.

Yeah, the only interesting crew that i see for Nera are the mercenary co-pilot, which doesn't care if you're shooting out of arc or not, and weapons engineer, because she needs target locks to do her fancy out-of-arc attacks. Intel agent is always kinda nice, and all the normally useful crew, like Jan Ors or Dash is still useful on her. But I don't see anything particularly good for her.

Recon specialist is alright boosts offense and defence.

Recon specialist is alright boosts offense and defence.

On a ship with only 1 agility, that defensive Focus is not worth the 4 points you're spending on it.

Does a b-wing care all that much about focus with one defence die? A bit I guess, but I can think of better uses than recon specialist.

How about super consistency?

Blue/Dagger (22/24)

+ Accuracy Corrector (3)

+ B-Wing/E2 (1)

+ C-3PO (3)

30-ish points for a ship that is guaranteed at least 2 hits on offense and 1 Evade on defense, leaving you free to Barrel Roll to your heart's content.

How about super consistency?

Blue/Dagger (22/24)

+ Accuracy Corrector (3)

+ B-Wing/E2 (1)

+ C-3PO (3)

30-ish points for a ship that is guaranteed at least 2 hits on offense and 1 Evade on defense, leaving you free to Barrel Roll to your heart's content.

Drop C-3PO for an Intelligence Agent and you'll know if and where to barrel roll to and potentially dodge an arc instead.

How about super consistency?

Blue/Dagger (22/24)

+ Accuracy Corrector (3)

+ B-Wing/E2 (1)

+ C-3PO (3)

30-ish points for a ship that is guaranteed at least 2 hits on offense and 1 Evade on defense, leaving you free to Barrel Roll to your heart's content.

Drop C-3PO for an Intelligence Agent and you'll know if and where to barrel roll to and potentially dodge an arc instead.

Sure, but I was working on a theme.