Did I hear wrong on the O66 podcast that said the new careers in F&D do not start with a Force Rating? I think Sam Steward agreed with them?

No, the careers start with a force rating but the specialties do not. So if you have a character from one of the other games you have to take the exile specialty or the emergent specialty in order to gain force rating one before you take the trees in Force and Destiny.

Actually, I believe that none of the FaD specializations require a Force rating. It's only Force talents that require a Force rating to use. Page 97 of FaD says the following:

"Note that a character without a Force Rating (a non Force-sensitive) can purchase a Force talent, however he cannot use it or gain any benefits from it."

Actually, I believe that none of the FaD specializations require a Force rating. It's only Force talents that require a Force rating to use. Page 97 of FaD says the following:

"Note that a character without a Force Rating (a non Force-sensitive) can purchase a Force talent, however he cannot use it or gain any benefits from it."

So, you can purchase any tree in FaD, and purchase whatever talents you want from it. However, you can only benefit from Force talents (the ones with the "success" burst in the corner) if you have a Force rating. If, at a future time, you purchase one of the FS trees from EotE or AoR, then any purchased Force talent in any purchased FaD trees become available for you to use.

This is correct. Buy all the F&D specs you want if your career is from AoR or EotE, but you'd better pick up Exile or Emergent if you want to use the Force Talents the F&D trees provide.

And remember that the Force Rating talent is a Force talent, so you have to already have a Force Rating (from Exile, Emergent, or a F&D Career) to get the +1 Force Rating that talent provides.

Ok, I was just thinking that they said they didn't provide a force rating, didn't remember if they specifically said career or spec.

Careers in FaD provide a FR of 1. Specializations do not. This differs from EotE and AoR in that the FS Emergent/Exile specializations provide a FR of 1, while none of the careers do.

The trade off is that the FAD careers start with Force Rating 1, but have 2 fewer Career Skills and 1 fewer free pick during creation.

How can you improve the rating? Only by buying talents? Seems like alot of talents you must buy before you can improve the Force Rating if it's in your talent tree.

How can you improve the rating? Only by buying talents? Seems like alot of talents you must buy before you can improve the Force Rating if it's in your talent tree.

Force Sensitive Emergent (in Age of Rebelion) is still something like the third cheapest way of getting FR+1

How can you improve the rating? Only by buying talents? Seems like alot of talents you must buy before you can improve the Force Rating if it's in your talent tree.

Pretty much by purchasing the Force Rating talent, just the same as after character creation you have to purchase the Dedication talent to increase a PC's Characteristics.

And for a lot of specs, it is expensive... which seems to be a pretty deliberate design choice on FFG's part to (hopefully) avert the game balance issues that Force users have brought to each prior Star Wars RPG that's been published, with WEG and Saga Edition generally being held as the worst in terms of Force users becoming vastly more powerful than the muggles in the party.

If a player is a F&D career and later chooses to add Force Exile or Force Emergent specialization do they get a bonus Force Rating+1? My players said otherwise there is no bonus to take the specialization if already using F&D. I want to play it as they do get it because storywise one of them had made sense.

If a player is a F&D career and later chooses to add Force Exile or Force Emergent specialization do they get a bonus Force Rating+1? My players said otherwise there is no bonus to take the specialization if already using F&D. I want to play it as they do get it because storywise one of them had made sense.

Nope.

Exile and Emergent both say the PC that takes them gains "Force Rating 1," not "+1" but simply "1."

So if you've already got a Force Rating from taking a FaD career at character creation, then taking Exile or Emergent provides zero immediate benefit, as you've already got Force Rating 1.

Had an earlier discussion with one of my players on this

This reply E-mail that Sam Stewert sent

Although I can’t confirm or deny at this point as to what is actually going to be in the final version of Force and Destiny, but I think that you would likely be safe in assuming that careers from Force and Destiny will start with Force Rating 1 as part of their career.

However, no matter what happens with Force and Destiny, Age of the Rebellion and Edge of the Empire careers do not start with Force Rating 1 as part of their career. The note on page 194 [F&D Beta] isn’t a “rule” so much as it is a reminder of how the existing rules already work. Therefore, the only way for a character with an Edge or Age career to become Force Sensitive is that he must purchase the Force Sensitive Emergent or Force Sensitive Exile specializations.

Hope that helps!

Sam Stewart

RPG Manager

Fantasy Flight Games

So as of now F&D specializations do not include a force rating for purchasing the specialization.

Tho IMHO I think it would be obvious to have a Universal specialization (similar to Emergent or Exile) that does give you a force rating of one, in the F&D corebook

Kinnison,

I disagree, simply because every Force and Destiny character has Force Rating 1 by default, and both AoR and EotE already have an existing option within their own books to obtain Force Rating 1, those being the Emergent and Exile respectively.

So having an universal Force spec that provides Force Rating 1 in a book where the PCs are going to already have Force Rating 1 simply as a result of character creation is rather redundant.

Tho IMHO I think it would be obvious to have a Universal specialization (similar to Emergent or Exile) that does give you a force rating of one, in the F&D corebook

Why? All the Careers in F&D already provide FR1, and the other two Cores already provide a universal Spec that provides an FR1.

It just seems redundant to me... especailly when an F&D character can already take one of the existing Uni specs if they have the other book and the desire. I'm actually of the opinion that one of the possible builds for Anakin as a player character has him taking one of them...