I'm being won over by the difference between natural and synthetic crystals being fluff argument. I think I'd probably say that the the players have to pay the cost of an Ilum crystal for the materials required, but at the end of the process they have a working synthetic crystal. I would say that at least one part (maybe the furnace or the stuff that will actually become a crystal) falls under Restricted and requires a quest to get or something.

Yep. And don't forget that you're going to need about 700 Credits worth of crystal polish to get a nice, smooth mirror finish that's going to get the most out of that crystal, which the Devs, in their infinite wisdom, just made all that much easier to do...

I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. Within the canon (two trilogies plus clone wars) lightsaber crystals don't exist as far as I'm aware; let alone a method for "creating" them.

There's an entire episode of "The Clone Wars" where Jedi younglings go to Ilum to get their first Lightsaber Crystals. So it's definitely within the Canon.

Why not just let the Synthetic be an addon to any crystal. I mean, if you're making a crystal yourself, you're probably basing it off some idea or knowledge or lore you possess on the nature of one or more types of crystals. Now, however the crystal creation process is handled, the result is basically the crystal you tried to make, as long as you succeed. The more powerful, rare and expensive crystals will of course be a lot more difficult to create. Then, if you score a triumph or a bunch of advantages, you add the Synthetic crystal quality, which is basically the same as the cortosis gauntlet effect when duelling other lightsaber wielders...

Hence my suggestion to simply have synthetic crystals be a narrative thing. you can make a synthetic crystal, with a basic knowledge capable of creating a crystal like the one at the end of the beta adventure.

More advanced rituals for crystal creation could net you a different type of synthcrystal, something mechanically equivalent to Ilum, or mephite, or Lorrdiran. Or what have you.

I my setting am flat out banning Synthetic crystals.

You want a LS , real jedi get a real one.

Anything remotely associated with the jedi and thier ways would most liekly be scrutinized by the Empire. Now were going to have mass produced bunch of cubic zirconia for LS's.. not...

I my setting am flat out banning Synthetic crystals.

You want a LS , real jedi get a real one.

Anything remotely associated with the jedi and thier ways would most liekly be scrutinized by the Empire. Now were going to have mass produced bunch of cubic zirconia for LS's.. not...

But there are no Jedi, because the Jedi were destroyed. That's kind of the whole point. Luke made a synth crystal. Heck, Why did Obi-Wan have the furnace to make them? The whole point of a synth crystal is for emergency purposes. I'd say a politico-religious extermination counts as an emergency.

In Legend lore Luke uses a schematic to build his crystal in Obi's home. He has to focus his mind and body to get it right. He creates a synthetic crystal in Shadows of the Empire, and that is what the EU ran with.

In the movies, we never see this happen. In the deleted scene we just see him finish it and activate it before sending the droids to Jabba's.

In the Return of the Jedi Radio Drama Luke says "Adegan Crystal's are recommended for maximum density and purity... I guess these will do." It doesn't mention him doing anything synthetic. Could be that FFG is ignoring the synthetic crystal part entirely.

I do think having the best Crystal as the start is a little... strange. I would much rather the basic saber start out with something "less" but if it is a lightsaber that works then it probably has a decent crystal inside it. FFG is probably just leaving that up to us as GMs to figure out between regular and Knight Level play.

I personally hope that they release some kind of Force Test/Lightsaber build Premade that takes place on Ilum. Jedi Trials led by a Holocron would be freaking amazing! They did something like this in the beta book, but I would like it to be expanded on and made into a whole hardback book.

Random Note:

It's a little weird with the rewrite to Kyber but it still makes me think. Ilum held Adegan Crystals, the writeup of the Mephite Crystal specifically mentions the Adega System, but the writeup of Ilum doesn't. Rubbed me weird.

IIRC adegan was a type of kyber crystal. I don't think that's FFG ignoring the EU. They seem to be following the lead set by the clone wars cartoons starting season 5 episode 6 that a lightsaber's crystal is a kyber crystal; they may be discarding any of the secondary crystal types/classifications, as those may no longer be canon as defined in behind the scenes discussions.

remember, part of the "new" canon is that all media products are now considered canon if they don't say legends. That may extend to the FFG RPG books. Not really sure.

remember, part of the "new" canon is that all media products are now considered canon if they don't say legends. That may extend to the FFG RPG books. Not really sure.

Given the content of the books (i.e., Starkiller in AoR), it's fairly clear that FFG is readily accessing Legends material in lieu of sticking to what may or may not be true canon these days. My guess is even they don't have a clear picture of what's canon or not. Ergo, fluff-wise, the books are Legends.

However, it's ridiculously easy to disregard any fluff that's not canon based on your own prejudices (i.e., Starkiller in AoR) and either insert the new stuff or make up your own. Or any combination of Legends, canon, and personal ideas.

When rebellion came out, that was right around the same time as the announcement for the integration. Since AoR was approved and printed prior to this, it stands to reason that it is not subject to exactly the same review.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, that one is right or wrong (adegan or kyber). I'm saying that the change in term may be the result of the integration of canon and all media sources, and this may be one of the first signs of it. I have no stock in EU anyone person likes or dislikes, but that this may be an indication of the future of the star wars property as a whole.

From what I can tell all Lightsaber quality crystals are called "Kyber" (probably homage to the Kaiburr crystal from Splinter of the Minds Eye). So Adegan crystals are also Kyber crystals, but not all Kyber crystals are Adegan.