I found this map when I was searching for some Star Wars images online for my game.
It's similar to the one in the book though obviously different. It made me second guess my assumptions about what territory the Empire actually holds.
Corruscant obviously, and then clearly much else. But where are its actual borders? Does it have defined borders? Hutt Space is obviously not theirs. But when I look at that map of the galaxy in the EotE book, how much of it is "Empire"?
Thanks for any help!
That map looks like late expanded-universe (Empire beaten back into a small corner of the galaxy).
During the Civil War period, I'm not sure where the Empire's borders end, spreading out from the core.
Edited by Col. OrangeThat looks like a map that came with a Diagostini (UK) star wars magazine... It's kinda old! I'd check out the Star Wars Atlas for some really detailed maps... Or just stick with the one in the core books which is pretty comprehensive in my humble opinion!
Think about the english colonial era. They controlled many places, including India, parts of Africa, hong kong, etc, etc. But they didn't always control the things in between. The empire has a bigger core and probably more tendrils, but a definitive edge is a bit more fuzzy. Essentially the edge/not-Empire is wherever they aren't at the time. Sometime that's large swaths of area for a long time (i.e. Hutt Space), others it's that single planet with a small garrison, but no real force except for once every few weeks when a Star Destroyer happens to swing by and remind folks the "true power".
That looks like a map that came with a Diagostini (UK) star wars magazine... It's kinda old! I'd check out the Star Wars Atlas for some really detailed maps... Or just stick with the one in the core books which is pretty comprehensive in my humble opinion!
The one in the core book doesn't mark even the rough boundaries of the Empire, hence the post. (Haven't seen AoR but am guessing it's the same map?)
Think about the english colonial era. They controlled many places, including India, parts of Africa, hong kong, etc, etc. But they didn't always control the things in between. The empire has a bigger core and probably more tendrils, but a definitive edge is a bit more fuzzy. Essentially the edge/not-Empire is wherever they aren't at the time. Sometime that's large swaths of area for a long time (i.e. Hutt Space), others it's that single planet with a small garrison, but no real force except for once every few weeks when a Star Destroyer happens to swing by and remind folks the "true power".
Makes sense and is much how I'm portraying it. But still I'm left with little feel as to how much area can be considered part of the Empire proper. Half of the galaxy, a quarter? From the Core worlds out to Mid Rim...? It's only when looking at that map I realized how little a handle I had on it.
The thing you have to remember was the conceit was that The Galaxy == The Empire. As far as the Emperor and the Imperial Navy portrayed things that was just a fact. I'm sure in reality even they realized that that wasn't true, but reality is perception sometimes. The only thing they probably didn't consider The Empire was the unknown regions, but that's just because they hadn't been there.
And yes, the map in AoR is identical.
The thing you have to remember was the conceit was that The Galaxy == The Empire. As far as the Emperor and the Imperial Navy portrayed things that was just a fact. I'm sure in reality even they realized that that wasn't true, but reality is perception sometimes. The only thing they probably didn't consider The Empire was the unknown regions, but that's just because they hadn't been there.
Thanks. That is helpful.
Edited by knasserIIAlso worth noting that areas of space such as Hutt Space were technically under Imperial control as well. The Hutts simply managed aggressive negotiations to be left relatively independent, rendering the position of Moff in charge of Hutt space one of enthusiastically accepting bribes to not do his job. The Han Solo trilogy details a battle that took place over Nar Shaddaa when the Moff at the time attempted to get more hands on; but the rest of the Empire didn't really care enough to back him up.
So there was still Imperial influence in systems that were ostensibly neutral, like Corellia and the Corporate Sector.
Also worth noting that areas of space such as Hutt Space were technically under Imperial control as well. The Hutts simply managed aggressive negotiations to be left relatively independent, rendering the position of Moff in charge of Hutt space one of enthusiastically accepting bribes to not do his job. The Han Solo trilogy details a battle that took place over Nar Shaddaa when the Moff at the time attempted to get more hands on; but the rest of the Empire didn't really care enough to back him up.
So there was still Imperial influence in systems that were ostensibly neutral, like Corellia and the Corporate Sector.
Wait, Corellia is not part of the Empire? I've been treating it as part of the empire. They have an imperial governor and a local moff, don't they?
Edited by knasserIIThe thing to remember is that we are given information about the seedy underbelly of friggin' Coruscant, the seat of power for the Empire.
The Edge is everywhere.
Sorta kinda not really. Corellia's Diktat (governor) worked out a deal with the Empire to stay largely out of galactic politics, via a Corellian mandate that essentially boiled down to isolationism. The Empire, seeing a valuable trade partner, let them do what they wanted at first, and then manipulated things so the next Diktat was very much in their pocket.
Corellia's neutral in theory, Imperial in truth.
Corellia's neutral in theory, Imperial in truth.
Bit like 'Hutt Space' where the inhabitants had to get smashed a bit by the Imperial Navy before they got the idea that they where not independant. At best they got was just higher taxation (aka- bribes) and less stormtroopers in their face on a daily basis.
I hate that map so much. practically useless with the angle
That is what was used for Vector prime and the Vong war. The Essential atlas is the one in the core books
For me I always thought the outer-rim was difficult for the Empire to impose it's will and represented the limt.
Corellia's neutral in theory, Imperial in truth.
Bit like 'Hutt Space' where the inhabitants had to get smashed a bit by the Imperial Navy before they got the idea that they where not independant. At best they got was just higher taxation (aka- bribes) and less stormtroopers in their face on a daily basis.
There are a number of regions which are semi-independent but pay taxes to the Empire, build ships and weapons for the Empire, sometimes sends soldiers and officers to the Imperial fleet or recruit Imperial trained personnel and generally serve as Vassal states to the Empire. Many of these, including Corellian space are also major sources of Alliance Recruits and have significant Alliance presence.
I think the only places not under imperial control at this point are the unknown regions(Controled by the chiss), and the hapans cluster(Controlled by the hapans consortium, though storms or something prevent travel in and out of the cluster during the civil war time period)
I think the only places not under imperial control at this point are the unknown regions(Controled by the chiss), and the hapans cluster(Controlled by the hapans consortium, though storms or something prevent travel in and out of the cluster during the civil war time period)
I actually thought Hutt Space was independent. No? Certainly seems it.
I actually thought Hutt Space was independent. No? Certainly seems it.
Well, there’s levels of independence.
The Hutts seem to recognize the profitability of not antagonizing the Empire too much, and the Empire seems to recognize the wisdom of letting the Hutts have a pretty large amount of independence.
I actually thought Hutt Space was independent. No? Certainly seems it.
Well, there’s levels of independence.
The Hutts seem to recognize the profitability of not antagonizing the Empire too much, and the Empire seems to recognize the wisdom of letting the Hutts have a pretty large amount of independence.
They really took the old saying "Fish do not swim live where the water is too clear" way too far.
EDIT: To correct the old saying.
Edited by evileeyoreDac (Mon Calimarie) is openly independent and pays not taxes to the empire. The core rule books hint at others but do not directly call them out.
