They just told me that you would die.

"If you ever star with 150 extra XP, you will die."

Same goes for other cheats:

"If you ever mod the rules, you will die."

"If you ever start with extra gear, you will die."

"If you ever be creative, you will die."

I feel like Wheatley...

Or like Jeremy Clarkston in the Top Gear Botswana episode.

F. Because it says STAR WARS on its cover.

I'm sure that's enoug for some!

I'm looking for a copy of the beta, but not for good reasons. Based on what I've read, I find the game to be a complete dumpster fire. The beta allows me access to what new material is in it at a low cost, while also allowing me the option to provide feedback on it. If I provide meaningful feedback that makes the game better and redeem it for me, great. If I offer feedback and it isn't taken, at least I can say tried to be a part of that process instead of sitting back and complaining.

Game most certainly isn't a dumpster fire, it's still lacking a little in the polish, but if you liked EotE and AoR then I think this will do just nicely. That said it does seem like a lot of people are very whiney about there not being a full on "I R JEDI LOOK AT MY BADAASSESNESS RAWR!" option, not understanding that all you need to add to the pot is xp.

The parry/reflect mechanic works really well in combat, improved versions really tool them up as well. Some of the trees need a little more work, but that I think comes from that some of the writers, while accomplished game designers who know their stuff, are not as hardcore Star Wars fans as some out there (and here on the forums) that know more about the lore of the product than the writers do.

So why should you buy the beta? Well as ScooterinAB said, you get to provide feedback and "opt in" at a 20, you can always drop the extra 40 when the core book comes out next year, sure you paid twice, but time and options considered I think it's a worthwhile investment.

I'm looking for a copy of the beta, but not for good reasons. Based on what I've read, I find the game to be a complete dumpster fire.

Haven't seen anybody say that before, so it seems pretty harsh, especially considering previous games. What are your reasons?

regarding Dumpster fire:

That I know of the Beta is danger to neither people or buildings. Dumpster fire may be an exaggeration.

If I buy the beta now will it incorporate the latest changes or did they print a bunch and you have to look through the notes to know what's different? Also, does the purchase of the Beta knock anything off of the retail price of the full book? Thanks.

If I buy the beta now will it incorporate the latest changes or did they print a bunch and you have to look through the notes to know what's different? Also, does the purchase of the Beta knock anything off of the retail price of the full book? Thanks.

No, and no. How much it's worth to you depends on how badly you want to run a Force user campaign.

Wow, lame and lame. But your point is made none the less.

I look at it this way: I get to see and help out with feedback, and then I have 10-12 months to save up 60$ for the full book. That's about a dollar a week (or less than your favorite caffeinated beverage out of a vending machine).

This makes it a great value and easy to save for the final version. Instead of getting that drink, drop the change into a jar labeled for F&D. You'll have saved up for it in no time

Wow, lame and lame.

Why, and why? The beta isn't POD, so I'm not sure why you'd expect them to be able to incorporate changes immediately. And why should you get a discount? You're under no obligation to buy the beta. Sounds like another citizen of the "gimme-all-my-free-stuff" nation...

Wow, lame and lame.

Why, and why? The beta isn't POD, so I'm not sure why you'd expect them to be able to incorporate changes immediately. And why should you get a discount? You're under no obligation to buy the beta. Sounds like another citizen of the "gimme-all-my-free-stuff" nation...

Thing is, this is a different model that kinda needs to be in place due to 1) the nature of the gaming license with LFL which prohibits the production of "digital games" and 2) the expense of said license with LFL.

The money paid for the Beta will

1) cover the costs of a nice-looking, well-put-together game, ensuring that FFG can make more Star Wars stuff

2) get you early access to said game

3) allow you to provide feedback and potentially make the game better

4) give you access to the otherwise (legally) inaccessible full-length adventure, Lost Knowledge

5) if you buy from Miniature Market or your FLGS, you'll likely receive some pretty, full-page-print, pregen character sheets.

It's an entirely different model and process than some other companies use, but that doesn't make it lame or a crass cash-grab (as many on the interwebz are complaining). It's a model born out of necessity, but one that has been proven twice so far to be very efficient and successful. And I'm proud to be (a very small) part of the process.

The Beta book is a limited edition, so once the books are printed that's it. So the book cannot be updated, that will happen with the core book. As to the reduction on the final price, the book costs FFG to print so given the very low price, you are paying not much more than cost. If the license allowed for PDF sales they might have been able to achieve the same deal that they managed with the Dark Heresy 2 and Only War Beta's. Since the license does not allow PDF sales, they have to cover their costs. Additionally any money they do make can be put toward the Core book.

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...that doesn't make it lame or a crass cash-grab...

...that doesn't make it lame or a crass cash-grab...

Oh, it most certainly is.

K, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post.

Wow, lame and lame.

Why, and why? The beta isn't POD, so I'm not sure why you'd expect them to be able to incorporate changes immediately. And why should you get a discount? You're under no obligation to buy the beta. Sounds like another citizen of the "gimme-all-my-free-stuff" nation...

Sorry, to clarify, and not sound like a spoiled brat, I am comparing this type of book sale with what FFG did with Only War. You got the beta, the cost differance was then applied to the purchase of the final book when it came out. Granted, that may have been because of the fact that they could sell it as a PDF but I'm hoping you can see why I thought they might apply this to this book.

Also, I don't think it was unreasonable to think they might print a new batch half way through the process to give us more up to date rules. now that I know that they aren't planning on that and have a finite amount of these books that changes the perspective somewhat.

Ah...now I feel like a snarky jerk Apologies...

K, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post.

That's a two way street eeyore. I don't remember you citing any company memos.

**** you julian Assange, where are your wiki leaks for the important corporate conspiracies, like selling a product for monies!!!!!!!

Sorry, to clarify, and not sound like a spoiled brat, I am comparing this type of book sale with what FFG did with Only War. You got the beta, the cost differance was then applied to the purchase of the final book when it came out. Granted, that may have been because of the fact that they could sell it as a PDF but I'm hoping you can see why I thought they might apply this to this book.

Also, I don't think it was unreasonable to think they might print a new batch half way through the process to give us more up to date rules. now that I know that they aren't planning on that and have a finite amount of these books that changes the perspective somewhat.

They haven't with the two previous Beta's so I think it is safe to say that won't happen, given the printing costs involved.

As to reprinting the book every time they do a significant change, again, it would just become a financial black hole.

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I always love when people call out companies for selling something to make money. You know when they stop doing such things? When people stop buying it. Some people feel the need to point out how their ripping everyone off, though. Good to know as I wasn't aware that I had my arm twisted to buy all of the betas. And that I was so uninformed too.

They are giving you PDFs of the changes they are making for free. Yes you have to flip between the beta book and the notes to use them. no it is not a horrible thing to ask. They can't give you the PDF due to licensing issues. I seem to recall this same thread in the Edge of the Empire Beta forums...then again in the Age of Rebellion beta forums and oh look we have it again here. With the exact same explanations again.

Hell, I have the PDF and I'm not complaining that they aren't updating it directly.

K, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post.

No problem. If you want to lay down some facts with some back up I'll treat them as such. Until then, we're just two guys spouting our opinions on the internet.

As far as I can tell, everything I wrote is a fact. Why don't you tell me what I wrote that you think is nonfactual, and we can go from there.

...that doesn't make it lame or a crass cash-grab...

Oh, it most certainly is.

K, thanks for ignoring the rest of my post.

He's a troll. It's what he does. Trying to hold an intelligent conversation with him is like lying to a mollusk... there's no point.

Best suggestion, just add him to your Ignore list and just focus on the posts that are actually useful.