You guys think with S&V on the way we'll soon see uglies make their way into the mix?

In the eu uglies were usually made by combining the easy to find parts of different ships, like a tie cockpit with y-wing engines, or tie wings on an x-wing chassis. Part of me feels like this might not happen since we have a plethora of untouched bounty hunter ships still and the role uglies would probably play in my opinion is taken care of by the Z-95.

Fair question, my knee jerk reaction is no. They would have to model them for starters, and they would be re-hashes of ships they have already done... I just do not see FFG going that route, I would think they would go forward with new stuff.

That being said, I would love to see uglies. Maybe we could get 'generic' uglies and we could make or model our own!

God I hope not.

Seriously, there's enough EU ships out there to give us plenty of diversity without having to resort to crossbreeding.

I only see Uglies if someone makes them themselves. I can't see FFG thinking that enough fans would want them (which I think players would) to justify pushing them out.

I agree these are fun but will likely remain as custom little converted builds.

I could see an ugly model as being worthwhile if it's not merely chopping up some existing models and rearranging the parts, but having some "exposed innards" as part of the arrangement -- which requires a whole new level of detail that's beyond simple model-hacking.

For instance, here's a typical "ugly":

Notice how you can't just chop up a TIE interceptor and an X-Wing, reattach the parts and call it a day. There are some extra struts and reinforcements and "greebles" that really drive home that this is something cobbled together to make the inner mechanical parts work together -- not just some empty-shell toys sawed apart and glued back together. Done properly, this would be something beyond a casual kitbash.

Ideally, I'd love to see a two-pack of uglies -- each one a bit different visually (but probably the same stats), with lots of "rust" and "battle damage." Make them fairly cheap points-wise, but not merely a Headhunter equivalent (because we've already GOT that for Scum & Villainy). I'd like a mechanic that gets across the notion that these things might pack a punch, but they're flying deathtraps.

E.g., give it a high attack value (it's got a turbolaser turret installed!) but maybe every time it attacks, it rolls a single die to see whether it damages itself in the process (damage to self resolved AFTER the attack). There would be no shields, and it has a low hull value.

There'd be a strong incentive to get into close range before even attempting to shoot, but its poor maneuverability would make it a tall order, say. Giving it a turret might mean that it could take that shot at a target that's out of its forward arc, but most of its guns are facing forward (so maybe it gets an extra attack die when it attacks a target in its forward arc only).

I think there's some potential for making an Ugly not only a visually-interesting model, but ALSO something that brings something different to the way the game is played.

Plus, by introducing an in-game "Ugly," it would possibly *encourage* kitbashers to customize the Uglies further with bits and pieces. That way, you've got some official rules for an Ugly (rather than "house rules" both sides have to agree on) but an invitation to put your own touch on it.

I could envision someone having a "pirate force" that features several uglies, each one modified just a bit to make it a little different.

Uglies are worse than TIE fighters, and FFG has said they don't want to make ships cheaper then 12 points. Thus, they're unlikely.

No.

I'd love to see official uglies, but it just won't happen.

Uglies traditionally have been worse than the sum of their parts. They weren't built to be good fighters. They were just built from spare parts to be super cheap fighters.

They would be less manueverable than standard ships, have less hull, shields, and attack power, and be cheaper. They'd likely be ineffective even in swarms. Worse yet, they would create unplayably large swarms as they would have to be less than 12 points.

While I like the concept of uglies, they make no flipping sense at all.

Some guy digging through a junkyard of parts has enough to make a Tie fighter or a Y wing, but instead decides to make two ugly fighters that both suck. Thats the issue here, you almost never see uglies alone, they are part of a squad of uglies used by pirates, but they always seem to have enough parts to make several normal fighters and they just choose to build horrible merged versions of them.

I hate most uglies. I would not buy them. Though I have to say, the pic above is pretty cool.

Unpopular opinion?:

The only thing stupider than uglies are the names they come up with for them.

They're garbage IMO, guaranteed FFG will not release them.

I'm not a fan of the uglies at all. I vote no!

For instance, here's a typical "ugly":

Either way I'm fine with it. Just curious if it was possible we might see them. I think FFG has better options for new ships if they want, especially with rebels coming out soon.

It could work if sold as a 'build your ship' kit, modular set of components and some rules for ship design.

I'm saying NO! Uglies are not a significant part of the Star Wars Galactic Civil War period. They don't have a place in the Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures Game.

I really hope to never see uglies in this game.

I'm saying NO! Uglies are not a significant part of the Star Wars Galactic Civil War period. They don't have a place in the Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures Game.

I feel like the same could be said about the defender, phanton and syck. In terms of what we've seen in the EU they have they a pretty similar rate of showing up in the EU, which is not alot. While there are reasons to say they shouldn't be in the game, I would not say there are not alot of these things floating around in pirate fleets and the like especially during the galactic civil war, where damaged and scrapped starfighters can be cobbled together due to the sheer abundance of broken ones.

Lord please no, uglies are UGLY, The only one I find half cool is the Die-wing.

I feel like the same could be said about the defender, phanton and syck. In terms of what we've seen in the EU they have they a pretty similar rate of showing up in the EU, which is not alot. While there are reasons to say they shouldn't be in the game, I would not say there are not alot of these things floating around in pirate fleets and the like especially during the galactic civil war, where damaged and scrapped starfighters can be cobbled together due to the sheer abundance of broken ones.

What are you talking about boy? Defenders are in the EU a lot. Phantoms FFG used because of cool features, and the Scyk is from the most popular Star Wars game to ever exist (except maybe X-wing/Tie series). The same goes for the Decimator. Do your research before you diss EU ships please.

I feel like the same could be said about the defender, phanton and syck. In terms of what we've seen in the EU they have they a pretty similar rate of showing up in the EU, which is not alot. While there are reasons to say they shouldn't be in the game, I would not say there are not alot of these things floating around in pirate fleets and the like especially during the galactic civil war, where damaged and scrapped starfighters can be cobbled together due to the sheer abundance of broken ones.

What are you talking about boy? Defenders are in the EU a lot. Phantoms FFG used because of cool features, and the Scyk is from the most popular Star Wars game to ever exist (except maybe X-wing/Tie series). The same goes for the Decimator. Do your research before you diss EU ships please.

I love the EU. I'll admit it's been awhile since I've read all the books but I've read all the post clone wars books and I don't remember phantoms and sycks popping up much more than uglies. After looking up defenders I can say I was hasty dumping in the defender with the rest. I only meant to convey that we shouldn't dismiss ships for this game solely on the basis of how often they appear in the books movies and games. We should pick ships that are good additions to the game. I can say that uglies probably won't help the game much but that's up to ffg to make it work (which they're really good at doing imo.)

I hope not

only if you look in the mirror...lol

Before S&V I would have said no, but now... I wouldn't put anything past them now. Infact I'll be shocked if we DON'T see an ugly at some point./S

I'm just waiting for our first Gungan and Ewok crew cards.

C'mon uglies are as much star wars as anything else and they been around ages, would you rather we get coral skippers?

I'm just waiting for our first Gungan and Ewok crew cards.

Don't be too surprised.

Wedge disguised himself as a genetically modified Ewak in Wraith Squadron (Flying a TIE Fighter), in the same book, it turned out there was a real Ewok flying a TIE