It was n google news talking about Thor being replaced by a Woman in the comics.

I've seen a number of articles about this, and none of them said Disney was behind it. Marvel had done stuff like this before, and will continue to do stuff like this in the future. They don't need Disney telling them to do it.

So unless you can produce an article that actually has some evidence that Disney is behind this, I'm calling BS on that idea.

It was an article I read right after Disney came out. They talked about freezing all the "in progress" games and most likely scrapping them.

They may very well do that, but SWTOR isn't going anywhere, Bioware made this quite clear when Disney announced the change to Canon.

I'm going to throw it out there that I am one of the few it seems, that loathe kotor and its sequels. Never have I felt I wasted my time with a video game.

If I could hate them out of existence I would.

Responding to the the quote by RevanChist : "What I am saying is that you will find pretty well no other genre of fans that are so firmly encamped in one ideology or another that they will actively hate and attack those who enjoy other aspects of the same genre. Star Wars fans also tend to hate at least one part of whatever the people in charge of Lucasfilm are doing."

When you put it that way. You are right in that regard. It just goes to show that there is a great love for starwars in any form. Me I like to keep an open mind. I have been in love with all things starwars from the begining when I remember seeing A new Hope in theatres when I was 5. I even have the Droid Cartoons, Ewoks battle for Endor and Caravan of Courage and the Ewoks cartoon. I love my force Unleashed 1 and 2 and Jedi knight series and all games starwars. As well as the books. I also am a big fan of the Prequels. I know I admit to be in the few especially from those that like the originals. ( My favorite is still Empire) But you got to admit we have the best fans too. I can sit for hours with some one who likes starwars and discuss anything and always come out learning or gaining another point of view on things That is totally awesome.

Listened to the prologue and 1st Chapter on the way to work.

So far it's better than morning radio.

It's good to be back in the Original Trilogy Universe after all the Clone Wars stuff.

It was n google news talking about Thor being replaced by a Woman in the comics.It was in a random google search, it must be true!

He read it on the interwebs, so it must be true. Then....he posted it on the interwebs and *I* read it there. It's doubly true now!

2 separate sources. You can publish it in print now.

Not possible to post links. But was talked about more on the show "The View." That point about Thor is mild compared too damage done to the Punisher and Eddie Brock. If you look you can find pages about disney agenda involving marvel and other disney owned property.

I will rip my hair pout if Disney lets them make that Punisher tv series I mentioned before.

I've seen a number of articles about this, and none of them said Disney was behind it. Marvel had done stuff like this before, and will continue to do stuff like this in the future. They don't need Disney telling them to do it.

So unless you can produce an article that actually has some evidence that Disney is behind this, I'm calling BS on that idea.

Thats nice you go ahead and do that...

Responding to the the quote by RevanChist : "What I am saying is that you will find pretty well no other genre of fans that are so firmly encamped in one ideology or another that they will actively hate and attack those who enjoy other aspects of the same genre. Star Wars fans also tend to hate at least one part of whatever the people in charge of Lucasfilm are doing."

BobaFett I got too disagree with you there two fan bases more hostile and or have a strong point of view on there own personal ideology, or shared ideology.

1st is War hammer, doesn't, 40k for the most part. Never ever have I had anyone in the SW fandom damage my property. A 40ker damaged one of my minis, cut its hand off, because it was holding the head of a space marine. I swear sometime I meet 40ker that act like they believe the stuff the read is real. Not6 all the fanbase is like this, plenty of norm peeps.

2nd and by far prob worse is the Alien Predator AvP Prometheus fanbase. I shouldn't even call it that because large groups that stick with one subject or few mixing story arcs. With in those groups you got canon pick and choosers, movies only fans, and completionists, and then you you got the compeitionists that follow what FOX says is canon (Movies, Novels, video games, comics) everything else is just merchandise. Then you got the ultimate completionists that consider every single thing as canon, even the kenner darkhoutse alien toys and there comics.

Most say **** you too Fox and people that listen to Fox. Constantly you'll have a discussion and a different group will come in, tell you what your talking about is wrong because it never happened in there series so you cant talk about it. That happens with every possible subject you can talk about in the A / P / AVP / Prometheus universe / series.

It will 80% turn into fights with people proclaiming your gay, you **** old people and our are raped by old people, you need to slowly have all you cartilage pulled out of your body, you NEED to die and it NEEDS to be a violent death, you NEED to kill your self, you need to be VERY thoroughly dissected alive very slowly so you don't die starting with your non-vital parts, and if your close, and or have nothing left except life support, to death have your brain pulled apart with there bare hands. You need to burred alive.

It has gotten better though I have only seen the suicide comments in this year.

If you look you can find pages about disney agenda involving marvel and other disney owned property.

Then provide us with links no that. Because until you do, you're just spreading more unfounded Disney hate... Which makes your credibility issue here look even worse.

Again it's not like Marvel has never done anything like this before, they've done stuff like this all the time, before Disney bought them out.

If you look you can find pages about disney agenda involving marvel and other disney owned property.

Then provide us with links no that. Because until you do, you're just spreading more unfounded Disney hate... Which makes your credibility issue here look even worse.Again it's not like Marvel has never done anything like this before, they've done stuff like this all the time, before Disney bought them out.

We all know "The View" is the best source of concrete news since Walter Cronkite.

We all know "The View" is the best source of concrete news since Walter Cronkite.

True... My bad. Because I DVR the View every day so I can keep up on my comic book and gaming news.

It was n google news talking about Thor being replaced by a Woman in the comics.It was in a random google search, it must be true!

He read it on the interwebs, so it must be true. Then....he posted it on the interwebs and *I* read it there. It's doubly true now!

2 separate sources. You can publish it in print now.

Not possible to post links. But was talked about more on the show "The View." That point about Thor is mild compared too damage done to the Punisher and Eddie Brock. If you look you can find pages about disney agenda involving marvel and other disney owned property.

I will rip my hair pout if Disney lets them make that Punisher tv series I mentioned before.

I've seen a number of articles about this, and none of them said Disney was behind it. Marvel had done stuff like this before, and will continue to do stuff like this in the future. They don't need Disney telling them to do it.

So unless you can produce an article that actually has some evidence that Disney is behind this, I'm calling BS on that idea.

Thats nice you go ahead and do that...

Responding to the the quote by RevanChist : "What I am saying is that you will find pretty well no other genre of fans that are so firmly encamped in one ideology or another that they will actively hate and attack those who enjoy other aspects of the same genre. Star Wars fans also tend to hate at least one part of whatever the people in charge of Lucasfilm are doing."

BobaFett I got too disagree with you there two fan bases more hostile and or have a strong point of view on there own personal ideology, or shared ideology.

1st is War hammer, doesn't, 40k for the most part. Never ever have I had anyone in the SW fandom damage my property. A 40ker damaged one of my minis, cut its hand off, because it was holding the head of a space marine. I swear sometime I meet 40ker that act like they believe the stuff the read is real. Not6 all the fanbase is like this, plenty of norm peeps.

2nd and by far prob worse is the Alien Predator AvP Prometheus fanbase. I shouldn't even call it that because large groups that stick with one subject or few mixing story arcs. With in those groups you got canon pick and choosers, movies only fans, and completionists, and then you you got the compeitionists that follow what FOX says is canon (Movies, Novels, video games, comics) everything else is just merchandise. Then you got the ultimate completionists that consider every single thing as canon, even the kenner darkhoutse alien toys and there comics.

Most say **** you too Fox and people that listen to Fox. Constantly you'll have a discussion and a different group will come in, tell you what your talking about is wrong because it never happened in there series so you cant talk about it. That happens with every possible subject you can talk about in the A / P / AVP / Prometheus universe / series.

It will 80% turn into fights with people proclaiming your ***, you **** old people and our are raped by old people, you need to slowly have all you cartilage pulled out of your body, you NEED to die and it NEEDS to be a violent death, you NEED to kill your self, you need to be VERY thoroughly dissected alive very slowly so you don't die starting with your non-vital parts, and if your close, and or have nothing left except life support, to death have your brain pulled apart with there bare hands. You need to burred alive.

It has gotten better though I have only seen the suicide comments in this year.

Wow. I think you need to take a breath. Sounds like you've had some pretty crazy experiences with some pretty crazy people in those fandoms. Perhaps you should speak to a professional about this. Prolonged exposure to that level of crazy can be pretty damaging, psychologically speaking.

Wow. I think you need to take a breath. Sounds like you've had some pretty crazy experiences with some pretty crazy people in those fandoms. Perhaps you should speak to a professional about this. Prolonged exposure to that level of crazy can be pretty damaging, psychologically speaking.

You're not familiar with BKL's work, are you?

Let's just say he's not some wandering waif of pure innocence who stumbles into those sorts of discussions...

Sorry this was not my quote I was responding to it Black Knight Leader. This was in RevanChist's post. I was responding that this was an incorrect post. Sorry but you misquoted me.

again NOT MY QUOTE

"What I am saying is that you will find pretty well no other genre of fans that are so firmly encamped in one ideology or another that they will actively hate and attack those who enjoy other aspects of the same genre. Star Wars fans also tend to hate at least one part of whatever the people in charge of Lucasfilm are doing."

If you read my post I had a post against it.

I'm no fan of Disney, but I really don't think they'l ruin Star Wars, they put Kathleen Kennedy at the helm, and she's got a pretty good resume (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005086/). They put out the best of the Marvel movies (I really wish they could reclaim Spiderman, X-Men, and Fantastic Four). There were some really great comics put out since the take over as well, that got me interested in reading Marvel again after 20+ years.

As for the idea of "Cannon", that was always a mess, with like five different degrees of hierarchy. The only thing that was absolutely cannon was the movies and the CGI Clone Wars. At least under Disney they're planning to ensure everything produced going forward is in line with everything else.

BTW, changing Thor isn't exactly a new idea, anyone remember Beta Ray Bill?

Let's be fair, the second X-Men film was actually pretty good. Brian Cox really elevated the level of that movie.

Well, I had to do some traveling today, so I read most of the book today in the airport. I'd make a few observations about apparent changes to the way the Empire is portrayed ... but I'm not sure: How does one go about posting with "spoiler tags" here? (E.g., "click to expand" spoiler tags, or set the font to some color to match the background, so you have to highlight to show any spoilers?)

I'm not really sure that I have anything THAT spoileriffic, but I'm sometimes a poor judge of that.

Well, I had to do some traveling today, so I read most of the book today in the airport. I'd make a few observations about apparent changes to the way the Empire is portrayed ... but I'm not sure: How does one go about posting with "spoiler tags" here? (E.g., "click to expand" spoiler tags, or set the font to some color to match the background, so you have to highlight to show any spoilers?)

I'm not really sure that I have anything THAT spoileriffic, but I'm sometimes a poor judge of that.

Use the [] with spoiler written inside; then once you are done, use the [] with /spoiler in it.

I just started listening to the audio book. I haven't heard enough yet to make a fair judgment. However the orator makes it sound as if it is being read to a 5 year old.

lol

Blaming Disney for Marvel Comics making weird/bad decisions. AKA, just being Marvel. Seriously, look at Civil War, The Clone Saga, and the continued employment of Greg Land.

And I like Flash Venom.

I really liked Civil War, thats what made me pick up marvel comics again. X-me vs Avengers, on the other hand, made me put them back down.

lol

Blaming Disney for Marvel Comics making weird/bad decisions. AKA, just being Marvel. Seriously, look at Civil War, The Clone Saga, and the continued employment of Greg Land.

And I like Flash Venom.

At least they arnt giving Rob liefeld work, he's killed three of DCs New 52 books last time I checked.

And even the worst event from marvel is better than stories like Amazon attack, or countdown to final crisis, or death of superman.

DC would of been sold off if marvel hadn't had such success with their movies.

As for the idea of "Cannon"....

Minor correction here. It's "canon".

-the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art.

-any officially recognized set of sacred books.

A cannon is what you shoot.

Any ways, I look forward to picking this up. I like JJM. I loved (and miss) KOTOR and Knight Errant.

Back to the actual book:

Without getting into any of the spoileriffic stuff (I haven't actually gotten all the way to the end, despite it seeming like I was almost there yesterday), there were a couple of things that struck me as interesting about the Empire:

* There are female stormtroopers. ... No, really! Right there in the narrative, and it's not presented as if it's anything special or unusual. I hadn't run into that sort of thing before outside of fan films or the New Republic era.

* Also, apparently there are female star destroyer captains other than just Natasi Daala. Or, at least, there is one that we're introduced to right at the start, and nothing is said to suggest that she's a rarity, and there are other female officers as well. Nothing is said to suggest that this is a novelty or rarity among the Imperials. If anything, the only character who seems to have anything to say about it would be our flirty hero.

* Apparently a dead stormtrooper here or there doesn't count as "casualties" to some people. "Well, at least there weren't any casualties!" That'd be understandable if coming from a Rebel source, and I could understand (but not agree) with it, if stormtroopers were still clones (i.e., "Oh, it's just a CLONE" rationale), but the earlier narrative indication of female stormtroopers would indicate that these are no longer all clones of Jango Fett.

Not to fear, though: This is no kinder, gentler Empire.

If anything, the Empire is portrayed as being insanely evil. It's not like there isn't precedent for that before with the Empire oppressing alien populations, enslaving "primitives," mercilessly stealing resources, using collective punishment upon entire populations for harboring "Rebel sympathizers," blowing up Alderaan, etc. -- but here there seems to be a crazy disregard for life of even the Empire's ALLIES.

Also, at least one of the "hero sidekicks" I would be strongly tempted to shove out of an airlock.

But as for our main protagonists, they're reasonably likable, and I think the book did a far better job of giving me a favorable impression of them than the 7-minute animated Rebels preview.

Just to be clear, it's a good read, though my final judgement will have to wait until I see how it ends. So far, it's very much in keeping with the feel of Star Wars books as I've come to expect. If there's another book continuing this, I'm going to check it out. Disney taking over the franchise didn't suddenly turn the Star Wars universe into Mickey Mouse with a lightsaber.

As for the idea of "Cannon"....

Minor correction here. It's "canon".

-the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art.

-any officially recognized set of sacred books.

A cannon is what you shoot.

Not always...

I am generally not a quick reader - I finished ND in just over a day. I really enjoyed the Hell out of it.