Heya,

I'm thinking of buying a Lamdba-Shuttle for myself, first it was just for the sake of repainting it. Now I've thought I might as well use the Shuttle, even if only in a casual setting, since I only play rebels.

Thing is, naturally you'd want Rebel-Pilots for it as well, so does anyone have suggestions as ot the points-cost, named Pilots and their skills to make cards on my own? Sadly I don't know enough about who of the Rebels might have flown a shuttle to come up with my own Ideas. :/

Luke and Chewie flew one in RotJ.

In addition, Wookieepedia says the alliance used them as both fleet support craft AND assault landing craft, they would just paint the alliance logo on them.

So right there you have your 4 pilots: Luke, Chewie, Rebel Fleet Pilot, Rebel Assault Pilot.

I'm not as good with points values though.

I would love a wee Tyderium pack for the shuttle, Luke, Chewie, Han and Botham Spy pilots. Similar pilot abilities and skill would work, Unique ship so only one at a time, allow rebel crew such as Luke Gunner and C3PO. Been mentioned before but I really want this. With the release of Scum and Villainy we have the precedent of ships fighting for more one faction. The prominence of this ship in Return of the Jedi has me relatively optimistic it will happen at some point.

And hey, why not use a different model while you're at it? Mel sells a nice one on Shapeways....

I think with the new Boba of SaV, maybe we get the rebel Shuttle, we have a Little hope about this issue, greettings.

In addition, Wookieepedia says the alliance used them as both fleet support craft AND assault landing craft, they would just paint the alliance logo on them.

I imagine that source was from the video games - specifically, the 'X-Wing' series, which had Rebels and Imperials both using the Lambda, just with different symbols painted on the top 'wing'.

Honestly, though, this seems illogical. I mean, from a video game design perspective - given we are talking about the early 90s, here, and something shipped on floppy disks - sure, re-using models made all the sense in the world. Saves design time, saves storage space, etc. A total no-brainer.

But it really make the characters in RotJ seem a heck of a lot more foolish!

Why would the Rebels need to steal the Tydirium, if they were already using shuttles of that design? It's already established in dialog they captured the clearance codes via another means, soooo...why bother stealing an Imperial shuttle?

Secondly, the Empire was pretty lax about the shuttle arriving with an older clearance code - Piett was about to clear them through. I mean, think about that, you are talking about the location of the Empire's NEWEST SECRET WEAPON being built, when it's not known it is operational (IE., presumed to still be in a very vulnerable state), with the EMPIRE HIMSELF present...and you just wave a shuttle through that looks like the type of shuttles your enemy uses AND doesn't have the current codes?

Again, no, that really doesn't make sense. If the Rebels did not have regular access to those shuttles, though, then seeing an 'older code' wouldn't be nearly as alarming coming from a shuttle that you know only your own forces fly.

Steal one... because they needed its transponder codes and having an actual Imperial ship was less risky on the mission... just a thought

I think at some point we may see card packs for pilots in different ships, like Luke in a Y-Wing, Tycho in a X-Wing. In said pack we may see cards for Rebel piloted Lambda's and maybe even other ships.

I think at some point we may see card packs for pilots in different ships, like Luke in a Y-Wing, Tycho in a X-Wing. In said pack we may see cards for Rebel piloted Lambda's and maybe even other ships.

No they probably won't. Not when they can get you to buy a whole brand new ship and pay more over all.. FFG has as much said no card packs..

I think if they release Smuggker and Spies it would be interesting to add a Shuttle Tyrderium to the faction... Or maybe rebels down the road...

In addition, Wookieepedia says the alliance used them as both fleet support craft AND assault landing craft, they would just paint the alliance logo on them.

I imagine that source was from the video games - specifically, the 'X-Wing' series, which had Rebels and Imperials both using the Lambda, just with different symbols painted on the top 'wing'.

Honestly, though, this seems illogical. I mean, from a video game design perspective - given we are talking about the early 90s, here, and something shipped on floppy disks - sure, re-using models made all the sense in the world. Saves design time, saves storage space, etc. A total no-brainer.

But it really make the characters in RotJ seem a heck of a lot more foolish!

Why would the Rebels need to steal the Tydirium, if they were already using shuttles of that design? It's already established in dialog they captured the clearance codes via another means, soooo...why bother stealing an Imperial shuttle?

Secondly, the Empire was pretty lax about the shuttle arriving with an older clearance code - Piett was about to clear them through. I mean, think about that, you are talking about the location of the Empire's NEWEST SECRET WEAPON being built, when it's not known it is operational (IE., presumed to still be in a very vulnerable state), with the EMPIRE HIMSELF present...and you just wave a shuttle through that looks like the type of shuttles your enemy uses AND doesn't have the current codes?

Again, no, that really doesn't make sense. If the Rebels did not have regular access to those shuttles, though, then seeing an 'older code' wouldn't be nearly as alarming coming from a shuttle that you know only your own forces fly.

You say it like anything but The Empire flew into Endor Space.

Also Vader knew, so...

You say it like anything but The Empire flew into Endor Space.

Also Vader knew, so...

Vader knew by sensing Luke, but that wasn't really relevant - Piett was 'about to clear them' anyway.

Which, if you've got a ship design your enemy uses flying past you without the most recent code...you have to admit, seems pretty stupid. ESPECIALLY given the sensitivity of the location they were in.

If, on the other hand, the Lambda-class shuttle was only used by the Empire...and Piett had never seen or heard of Rebels using it at all (let alone using it regularly)...then the ship flying by with somewhat-older codes that Rebels had never gotten their hands on before...wouldn't really raise any alarms.

Which is the entire point of my complaint. If the Rebels knew the importance of this attack (and they plainly did)...surely they wouldn't risk it by just using a design they already had access to. If they were to try this...they'd find the most exclusive, unused-by-anyone-but-the-most-trusted-Imperial-sources ship as their starting point...and then pack on stolen codes on top of that.

It would be ridiculous to do it any other way! With so much at stake?

Luke and Chewie flew one in RotJ.

In addition, Wookieepedia says the alliance used them as both fleet support craft AND assault landing craft, they would just paint the alliance logo on them.

So right there you have your 4 pilots: Luke, Chewie, Rebel Fleet Pilot, Rebel Assault Pilot.

I'm not as good with points values though.

Actually the entire command crew for the shuttle in ROTJ was Han Chewie Luke Leia C3PO and R2 D2.

You say it like anything but The Empire flew into Endor Space.

Also Vader knew, so...

Vader knew by sensing Luke, but that wasn't really relevant - Piett was 'about to clear them' anyway.

Which, if you've got a ship design your enemy uses flying past you without the most recent code...you have to admit, seems pretty stupid. ESPECIALLY given the sensitivity of the location they were in.

If, on the other hand, the Lambda-class shuttle was only used by the Empire...and Piett had never seen or heard of Rebels using it at all (let alone using it regularly)...then the ship flying by with somewhat-older codes that Rebels had never gotten their hands on before...wouldn't really raise any alarms.

Which is the entire point of my complaint. If the Rebels knew the importance of this attack (and they plainly did)...surely they wouldn't risk it by just using a design they already had access to. If they were to try this...they'd find the most exclusive, unused-by-anyone-but-the-most-trusted-Imperial-sources ship as their starting point...and then pack on stolen codes on top of that.

It would be ridiculous to do it any other way! With so much at stake?

Why are we all forgetting that it was all part of the Emporors plan.. he wanted them there, the whole plot was his idea to trap them.. .

Also like I said earlier.. best to use a ship that had original imperial transponders, but a moot point when the Emporor was hip to the plan all along.. when you set a trap it's best to let the prey into the trap, old codes would have been fine.. they needed to be there or the plot... and movie.. were bust..

You say it like anything but The Empire flew into Endor Space.

Also Vader knew, so...

Vader knew by sensing Luke, but that wasn't really relevant - Piett was 'about to clear them' anyway.

Which, if you've got a ship design your enemy uses flying past you without the most recent code...you have to admit, seems pretty stupid. ESPECIALLY given the sensitivity of the location they were in.

If, on the other hand, the Lambda-class shuttle was only used by the Empire...and Piett had never seen or heard of Rebels using it at all (let alone using it regularly)...then the ship flying by with somewhat-older codes that Rebels had never gotten their hands on before...wouldn't really raise any alarms.

Which is the entire point of my complaint. If the Rebels knew the importance of this attack (and they plainly did)...surely they wouldn't risk it by just using a design they already had access to. If they were to try this...they'd find the most exclusive, unused-by-anyone-but-the-most-trusted-Imperial-sources ship as their starting point...and then pack on stolen codes on top of that.

It would be ridiculous to do it any other way! With so much at stake?

Well, that's exactly the type of shuttle they used. The mistake the X-Wing games made was NOT using the Sentinel Shuttle.

In addition, Wookieepedia says the alliance used them as both fleet support craft AND assault landing craft, they would just paint the alliance logo on them.

I imagine that source was from the video games - specifically, the 'X-Wing' series, which had Rebels and Imperials both using the Lambda, just with different symbols painted on the top 'wing'.

Honestly, though, this seems illogical. I mean, from a video game design perspective - given we are talking about the early 90s, here, and something shipped on floppy disks - sure, re-using models made all the sense in the world. Saves design time, saves storage space, etc. A total no-brainer.

But it really make the characters in RotJ seem a heck of a lot more foolish!

Why would the Rebels need to steal the Tydirium, if they were already using shuttles of that design? It's already established in dialog they captured the clearance codes via another means, soooo...why bother stealing an Imperial shuttle?

Secondly, the Empire was pretty lax about the shuttle arriving with an older clearance code - Piett was about to clear them through. I mean, think about that, you are talking about the location of the Empire's NEWEST SECRET WEAPON being built, when it's not known it is operational (IE., presumed to still be in a very vulnerable state), with the EMPIRE HIMSELF present...and you just wave a shuttle through that looks like the type of shuttles your enemy uses AND doesn't have the current codes?

Again, no, that really doesn't make sense. If the Rebels did not have regular access to those shuttles, though, then seeing an 'older code' wouldn't be nearly as alarming coming from a shuttle that you know only your own forces fly.

I believe their regular adoption by the rebel fleet was post-Endor. Besides, you are missing two major points:

1) The OP wants a home brew. CHILL OUT.

2) There's a big difference between some random shuttle showing up with old codes and a fake name, and an actual stolen shuttle coming home. Piett was probably so casual because he had seen that exact **** shuttle countless times before. Maybe it was the only shuttle allowed onto the surface. Maybe the fleet rotated codes every 72 hours, and the Shuttle's was 90 hours old, and Piett knew when it left it was going to come back with an older code due to the length of it's journey.

You say it like anything but The Empire flew into Endor Space.

Also Vader knew, so...

Vader knew by sensing Luke, but that wasn't really relevant - Piett was 'about to clear them' anyway.

Which, if you've got a ship design your enemy uses flying past you without the most recent code...you have to admit, seems pretty stupid. ESPECIALLY given the sensitivity of the location they were in.

If, on the other hand, the Lambda-class shuttle was only used by the Empire...and Piett had never seen or heard of Rebels using it at all (let alone using it regularly)...then the ship flying by with somewhat-older codes that Rebels had never gotten their hands on before...wouldn't really raise any alarms.

Which is the entire point of my complaint. If the Rebels knew the importance of this attack (and they plainly did)...surely they wouldn't risk it by just using a design they already had access to. If they were to try this...they'd find the most exclusive, unused-by-anyone-but-the-most-trusted-Imperial-sources ship as their starting point...and then pack on stolen codes on top of that.

It would be ridiculous to do it any other way! With so much at stake?

Well, that's exactly the type of shuttle they used. The mistake the X-Wing games made was NOT using the Sentinel Shuttle.

I'd say the "mistake" the X-Wing games made was in making the "Imperial Shuttle" something the Rebels used. Although, as noted, the design reasons for that decision were obvious (and, honestly, I would have made the same at the time).

"Realistically" (*cough*), given the source material, it would have been far more logical for the common shuttle used by the Rebellion to be the Republic-era Nu-class shuttle, rather than the Imperial Lambda-class shuttle. (And anyone remotely familiar with Greek should now bow out before asking why the progression of the designs worked in reverse alphabetical order...)

But, as that didn't exist at the time...

Realistically speaking, The Rebellion should be using patchwork Phase I and II armor, DC-15 carbines and rifles, AT-RTs, LAAT/is, ARC-170s, V-19s... Well. You get the idea.

Hell, they could have gotten their hands on an old Venator or Acclamator for their home ship very, very early on. Realistically speaking.

...I'd support a "What if" of Rebel designs that used repurposed Republic tech. Which would totally be something they'd do. They're The Alliance to Restore The Republic. So using Republic imagery, but modified and saying, "We're not The Empire" with Starbirds and so on emblazoned on their soldier's armor?

That'd be awesome.

Hell, realistically speaking, The Rebellion could have easily found a way to restore functionality to a LOT of CIS droids. The Rebels could have had so much at their disposal thanks to The Clone Wars, that they could have honestly given The Galactic Empire a little... Pause.

It's strange to think that ETA-2s and Delta-7s maybe should have been present at the Battle of Yavin, and that Venators should have been present at The Battle of Endor, isn't it?

Heh - I have a sense you are being half-sarcastic/half-not, but...yeah, that's kinda close to the truth. It would be a pretty safe bet that Venators and Acclamators would be pretty hard to keep up, though (to be clear - it's obvious they COULD be, but it would involve an entire system's dedication to their own defense independent of the Empire to maintain their remaining ships on their own expense. Without getting into modern-day-NATO-expense-debates...let's just say...that's not really very likely).

But it's possible, sure, and even given how unlikely it would actually BE...you'd think at least one system would, so realistically at least a few Venators or Acclamators should have been at Endor, but...

Anyway, that's neither here or nor there. Maybe in the next revisions of the Blu-Rays...

Smaller craft, though, are, indeed, a different picture. They die quickly in battle, so 'fighter' craft would see replacement rapidly. Couldn't say I'd expect to see ETA-2s and Delta-7s (unshielded fighters) surviving to Endor. And, indeed, even ARC-170s (which were shielded) I can't see the Rebels using in place of "newer" Z-95, Y-Wing, or X-Wing production. (Our 'scum and villainy' faction, though? Heck, yeah, I could see them using Clone-Wars-surpluss ARC-170s all over the place...)

Shuttles, on the other hand, don't die as often, and...they really should have been the mainstay of the Rebel transport fleet during the Galactic Civil War.

But, of course, that was more than a decade in the future from when the 'X-Wing'/'TIE Fighter' games were made...

Wow, I wake up to 15 more posts in this thread, got excited, and saw only a discussion about the Lore. T_T

I dunno'. '95s are supposed to be older than 170s by a significant margin. But you raise a point.

Nu shuttles. Definitely a mainstay that could have been. But I don't think anyone can disagree about the DC-15s.

Wow, I wake up to 15 more posts in this thread, got excited, and saw only a discussion about the Lore. T_T

Yeah let's leave lore behind please - as I said, the guy wants a home brew. Chill with the lore rage and post some points suggestions.