Stealth X - an X-Wing with Cloak

By Darth Ruin, in X-Wing

*dubiously regards WonderWAAAGH after realizing that his signature touting he is "an angelic creature free of sin" is attached to a 40K orc who is (based on name) about to declare orc holy war on some poor unsuspecting guardsman"

Actually, I rather think that Aaron Allston (the individual responsible for the Stealth X) took the approach that any civilization that could build a space station the size of planet, swords that could wrangle plasma into a usable melee weapon, make an object invisible to the naked human eye and produce faster than light travel could figure out how to make heat signatures disappear - he didn't need to explain it any more than he needed to define how a hyperdrive works.

No, it's actually the Star Wars galaxy they are looking at - the Rendevous Point the rebels used was an area just outside the galactic disc so as to be secure from the Empire. As we know from the opening crawl, the galaxy they inhabit is far, far, away.

That's one of the problems with it not being a satellite galaxy. They aren't "just outside" that galaxy. Assuming it is about the same size as the milky way (some sources say it is larger), then they are something like several hundred thousand LIGHT YEARS outside of that galaxy.

Also, there are too many background stars for them to be in an inter-galactic void.

Well hyperdrives can cross the galaxy in a matter of hours/days depending on course taken so getting there isnt an issue plus we know they've sent ships outside their galaxy before.

That's one of the problems with it not being a satellite galaxy. They aren't "just outside" that galaxy. Assuming it is about the same size as the milky way (some sources say it is larger), then they are something like several hundred thousand LIGHT YEARS outside of that galaxy.

Also, there are too many background stars for them to be in an inter-galactic void.

It first cropped up in the decipher card game that everyone seems to take their info from (probably because most of hte card fluff came straight from Lucasfilm's continuity teams)

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Non-Sport/73010/73010-NNO114Fr.jpg

but to be more specific, the Star Wars wiki itself confirms the location of the Rendevous Point to be "above the galactic plane" around the time of the Battle of Hoth (i.e. in Empire when this was taken from)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rebel_rendezvous_point

Let me begin by saying that I hate myself for being drawn into a scientific debate referring to fantasy sci-fi material.

Nah. We're geeks; this is what we do.

In reference to microphones (I assume it was used as an example of passive sensors, but if not)...

Yeah, just an example of a passive sensor--not something you'd use in the depths of space.

In reference to electromagnetic radiation and heat signature, your statement is only true if the "paint" was standard pigment adjustment. If this "paint" had a electromagnetically damping nature (see 21st century stealth aircraft) then it would reduce the emanations naturally...

Reduce those emanations how , though? Conservation of energy ought to apply even in Star Wars; the "paint" used in modern stealth aircraft scatters radiation, but it doesn't reduce it. It's a bit like putting a "frosted" coating on a light bulb: the total light output hasn't changed, it's just more evenly distributed. (And, in a completely relevant extension, if the room is otherwise dark, replacing a clear bulb with a frosted one doesn't make it any harder to see where the light bulb is.)

And the same is true of heat, except that scattering won't help there (heat is already pretty scattered). You can trap heat, but any spacecraft with a functioning power source is eventually going to cook itself if it does that.

...as I said upthread, I'm not sure why this is the thing that breaks my suspension of disbelief (given that the universe also has visible, discrete bolts fired from "laser" weapons, starships that look and maneuver as if they were mid-20th-century aircraft, and as you said, swords made of self-contained plasma). But it does: the StealthX is completely infeasible from the standpoint of fundamental physics.

I'm pretty sure it exists because the author who made it up--I thought it was Troy Denning, but whomever--thought it would be cool, and didn't know about the issues it has or didn't think they were consequential given the fact that it's basically a fantasy space opera rather than a sci-fi universe.

But, for the record, I still think it's silly. :rolleyes:

Of course the Stealth X doesnt stand up to science. So little of Star Wars makes logical sense. The biggest issue to me is how the hell are they able to talk in real time all over the galaxy, much less in the same solar system? Now as far as EU goes yeah Legacy of the Force was kinda meh, but why the hate to Fate of the Jedi?

Reduce those emanations how , though? Conservation of energy ought to apply even in Star Wars; the "paint" used in modern stealth aircraft scatters radiation, but it doesn't reduce it. It's a bit like putting a "frosted" coating on a light bulb: the total light output hasn't changed, it's just more evenly distributed. (And, in a completely relevant extension, if the room is otherwise dark, replacing a clear bulb with a frosted one doesn't make it any harder to see where the light bulb is.)

*slips into her "Scotty" cosplay outfit* So, if the paint had some interior structure that naturally channeled the absorbed energy along the fuselage and deposited into converters nestled near the engines, then the engine wash could expel the converted signature along with the thrust waste - now - this wouldn't 100% eliminate the ships emissions, but it would direct them - meaning that any passive observation system would have to be point directly at the emission point (or arc therein) to pick it up - similar to observing a Gamma Ray burst.

I like this Kyla already. But let's not debate the metaphysics of Star Wars tech, that's a black hole no one can escape from.

Do you really want to see cloaking on one ship, only, forever? X-Wings get a neat little boost and ACD can be used on things other than the Phantom.

The Biggs problem... well, he won't be able to shoot if you keep him cloaked so you'd be dropping 1/4 of your firepower from the get go. There are plenty of things that make Biggs a bad choice nowadays (Ion Pulse Torpedoes, Assault Missiles, Ruthlessness) so even then it won't be broken, just annoying.

You could also make it 'Jedi Pilot Only'.

Star Wars, of course, uses its own conception of physics. For instance: momentum and inertia work differently in that universe than ours.

But at the end of Empire is that not the Milky Way Galaxy in the window. So they are in the same universe as us, just a different galaxy.

starwarstheempirestrikesback5.jpg

No, it's actually the Star Wars galaxy they are looking at - the Rendevous Point the rebels used was an area just outside the galactic disc so as to be secure from the Empire. As we know from the opening crawl, the galaxy they inhabit is far, far, away.

During a late night TV interview, I think Letterman or Leno. Lucas said that it could be our galaxy, he would rather not say and leave it up to the imagination of the viewer. No luck finding the interview online.

Star Wars, of course, uses its own conception of physics. For instance: momentum and inertia work differently in that universe than ours.

But at the end of Empire is that not the Milky Way Galaxy in the window. So they are in the same universe as us, just a different galaxy.

starwarstheempirestrikesback5.jpg

No, it's actually the Star Wars galaxy they are looking at - the Rendevous Point the rebels used was an area just outside the galactic disc so as to be secure from the Empire. As we know from the opening crawl, the galaxy they inhabit is far, far, away.

Not to mention in a different millennium as it was long long ago.

I remember someone telling me that it the last extended book that their galaxy ended up being destroyed by all the super weapons and wars that they had and the humans migrated to a different galaxy where they landed on a planet and started to make stone buildings similar to the Massassi temples on Yavin 4.

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I like this Kyla already. But let's not debate the metaphysics of Star Wars tech, that's a black hole no one can escape from.

Do you really want to see cloaking on one ship, only, forever? X-Wings get a neat little boost and ACD can be used on things other than the Phantom.

The Biggs problem... well, he won't be able to shoot if you keep him cloaked so you'd be dropping 1/4 of your firepower from the get go. There are plenty of things that make Biggs a bad choice nowadays (Ion Pulse Torpedoes, Assault Missiles, Ruthlessness) so even then it won't be broken, just annoying.

You could also make it 'Jedi Pilot Only'.

The only problem I have is the Jedi pilot only. I doubt ffg will get into that mess of having to make some pilots even more special than the named ones already are. And making it an action or title just seems too generic and makes no sense

I think if they decided to do the Stealth X it would be a new model release - the X-Wings they use in the NJO era aren't the same X-Wings as they had in the Rebellion era - they've been modified.

Moreover, with the new X-Wing featured in Episode VII, I'm sure that if they later added the Stealth X as an upgrade I imagine it would upgrade this evolution fighter as opposed to the old T-65's