Viserys Targaryen - How can I kill him?

By MountainRoot, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

The problem that i am facing is that i think we are playing Viserys Targaryen card wrong.

OK

I make a military challenge to a player that playes with House Targaryen and already has Viserys Targaryen in play.

He looses the challenge and must kill a character OK?

Can he choose to kill Viserys and then use his response ability to come back at his hand? Allthough it was his choice to kill him?

I mean what the hell....... In a 2 - players game with this card the guy is practically immune to all military challenges (by always choosing Viserys to kill then pick him up tohis hand). His cost is only 1 gold.

How can i get rid off this guy if the above is true?

1) Use a card to stop his ability then kill him

2) If I am lucky an someone wins an intrigue challenge and by luck the card to be discarded is Viserys.

The way i see it,correct me if I am wrong is that you can save him if someone else forces you to kill him or a random character but If it is you that chose him the NO.

For example

If ther will be a character card that says something like : Kill a character to give him +4 to STR. Can I always choose to kill Viserys, get my character the +4 STR and then use Viserys response to save him from killing and return him to my hand.

Next round. 1 gold. Viserys gets back in play. Repeat again......

I am new to the game so please don't be harsh on me.

English is not my native language

well you can put Milk of the poppy on Viserys to remove his text box (and thus his save).

Another option is to run 2 claim plots so that he is no longer 'immune' to military claim as he is kliing/saving visyers and still has to kill another charcater.

A third option would be Wildfire assualt which says that characters cannot besaved (still your opponents choice but he might pick him)

MountainRoot said:

The way i see it,correct me if I am wrong is that you can save him if someone else forces you to kill him or a random character but If it is you that chose him the NO.

Sorry to say, but you are wrong about this. "Killed" is "killed." The game does not see any difference in who chooses Viserys to die or what effect (including a military challenge) is used to kill him. When your opponent chooses him to die for military claim, then saves him and returns him to hand, it is all legal. There is nothing in the rules saying that you can't use his ability when his controller chooses him to die. The card is really THAT good.

So as Lars says, about the only way to get rid of him permanently is to stop his ability (like with Milk of the Poppy) or to pull him out of your opponent's hand with an intrigue challenge. Another way to do it is to find ways to get rid of their gold so paying that 1 gold every turn is hard to do - or means they don't get to play something that will actually help them get power. Claim 2 plots are also a good idea. Not only do they mean Viserys won't "take care of" your entire military claim, it also means you have an extra chance to pull him out of your opponent's hand with an intrigue challenge.

I play Targ' so I can tell you that doing an Intrigue challenge after the Military one (and winning it, if able) is one of the best way to get rid of Viserys.

But he will be with the discarded cards, not with the dead ones so the Targ' player can play it again. And Maestre Aemon too :P

It's a great card, but every house have great cards.