So I have two things that I would like some input on after reading multiple post which touch the outrider.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

2. Thoughts on this list? weakness? strength? changes to the list? The idea of it is wes strips the token which gives farlander an extra dice and the stress as a focus with an action of a target lock. Airen to give action and one bandit for more fire power.

Wes +VI+R&T1

Farlander with opportunist and Advance sen

Airen

Bandit.

Any input would be great please.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile?

We won't be able to really judge that until it actually gets released and lots of people are able to play with it for at least a few months.

Theory crafting can only take you so far. It requires real, actual play to know whether something is actually going to be good.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile?

We won't be able to really judge that until it actually gets released and lots of people are able to play with it for at least a few months.

Theory crafting can only take you so far. It requires real, actual play to know whether something is actually going to be good.

That is true, I can say from the games I have played with Dash+ PTL,+title+HLC+lebo with Jake +VI+title+PTL+rift and blue have done well... much better then dash with just VI and no PTL. You do get people gunning for that range one, but with the ability to boost and roll it is not to hard to stay away from them. I just need to test more against falcons and phantoms to be sure.

I think its way too early to say if the YT-2400 will be good or not without the title. I will say this, it does compare favorably with the ORS and having flown it a few times I could easily see Eaden Vrill or the Fringer being good without the title.

That being said, I think flying it with the cannon turret is way more interesting/fun and I have not yet tried it without that.

I've played the following and had success with both:

List 1

Dash Rendar

+Outrider

+Heavy Laser Cannon

+Predator OR Push the Limit

+Intelligence Agent

4xBandits

100 even.

List 2

Dash Rendar

+Outrider

+Heavy Laser Cannon

Chewbacca

+C-3PO

+Gunner

+Millennium Falcon

+Veteran Instincts

100 even.

So far, the hardest part is finding wingmen that I like with Dash. Need some stuff to compliment his output and still be survivable.

As far as your list, I would be concerned that the Zs wont add much and will die too easily. I am also concerned that if Wes or Keyan gets wrecked first that there won't be much left to fight with.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

The jousting efficiency of the YT-2400 is reasonable despite only having 2 dice. It isn't quite as cost effective as a named YT-1300, but it is certainly better than the Outer Rim Smuggler, and should actually be on par or a hair higher than the VT-49.

I don't think you need to have played it to realize that Dash + HLC will be effective in the hands of a competent player. With a couple "blockers" and obstacles, plus the built-in barrel roll and nearly obligatory Engine Upgrade, that R1 penalty will be very easy to mitigate while you dish out 4 dice of hurt at 360 degrees. Personally, I think he will be the new darling of the tournament scene.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

The jousting efficiency of the YT-2400 is reasonable despite only having 2 dice. It isn't quite as cost effective as a named YT-1300, but it is certainly better than the Outer Rim Smuggler, and should actually be on par or a hair higher than the VT-49.

Is "jousting efficiency" even relevant with the YT-2400?

Anyway, I've played a couple games now with the Outrider, both times with HLC + title but I think that Eaden Vrill or a ship without the HLC will do fine. It is very easy to get behind someone and fire at range one.

I don't think you need to have played it to realize that Dash + HLC will be effective in the hands of a competent player. With a couple "blockers" and obstacles, plus the built-in barrel roll and nearly obligatory Engine Upgrade, that R1 penalty will be very easy to mitigate while you dish out 4 dice of hurt at 360 degrees. Personally, I think he will be the new darling of the tournament scene.

The R1 penalty actually hurt me a lot against Soontir Fel. No one else was in the fight, just our two ships and I couldn't get away from his boost and fast greens so I was forced to 1 hard and barrel roll to continue bumping him. I'm sure you can do better with some support ships (and it was my first time flying Outrider) but I'm seeing more and more reason to just blast away at range 1 with 3 dice.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

The jousting efficiency of the YT-2400 is reasonable despite only having 2 dice. It isn't quite as cost effective as a named YT-1300, but it is certainly better than the Outer Rim Smuggler, and should actually be on par or a hair higher than the VT-49.

Is "jousting efficiency" even relevant with the YT-2400?

Yes, absolutely. It is relevant on every ship in the game, because it gives you a baseline expectation of how well the stat line performs for its cost. Now that we have 4 ships with 360 degree primary turrets, it is extremely relevant to compare the 4 and see how they line up relative to each other.

I don't think you need to have played it to realize that Dash + HLC will be effective

The question, however, is will it still be withOUT a HLC.

Watching a game with the 58 point Dash, I was surprised at how maneuverable that ship was. When you consider the built in barrel roll, and boost which both ignore you being on an asteroid, you can end up much further than it looks like you will. Push the limit for both, have Kyle for free focus from the green you performed first, and hope you don't roll blanks on attacks. It's nasty and fun. Leebo seems like he could have some Chewie like survivability when paired with Determination, and Eadren will be fun in list that hands out stress which seems like we're getting more ways to do. I think the title+Cannon will prove the "best" but I think the options without are just as exciting.

I believe the YT-2400 should be competitive without the title although I do think that having a cannon on it will be a good idea even if it isn't turreted.

So I have two things that I would like some input on after reading multiple post which touch the outrider.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

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The thing about the Outrider title upgrade is that you need a cannon card because it essentially removes your primary weapon attack. Out of the cannons there is only 3, HLC which does the most damage but can't fire at range 1, Ion cannon which sacrifice damage for control, and auto-blaster which only has a range of 1. So not using the upgrade is not a bad idea. You might actually find it more versitile.

I think its way too early to say if the YT-2400 will be good or not without the title. I will say this, it does compare favorably with the ORS and having flown it a few times I could easily see Eaden Vrill or the Fringer being good without the title.

That being said, I think flying it with the cannon turret is way more interesting/fun and I have not yet tried it without that.

I've played the following and had success with both:

List 1

Dash Rendar

+Outrider

+Heavy Laser Cannon

+Predator OR Push the Limit

+Intelligence Agent

4xBandits

100 even.

List 2

Dash Rendar

+Outrider

+Heavy Laser Cannon

Chewbacca

+C-3PO

+Gunner

+Millennium Falcon

+Veteran Instincts

100 even.

So far, the hardest part is finding wingmen that I like with Dash. Need some stuff to compliment his output and still be survivable.

As far as your list, I would be concerned that the Zs wont add much and will die too easily. I am also concerned that if Wes or Keyan gets wrecked first that there won't be much left to fight with.

I would agree that Dash with the HLC is great but finding the right wingmen have been the hard part. so far my best list was him with a blue and jake with VI+title+PTL+ rift. though the bandits are very nice for blocking up the works.

I've had some success with this YT-2400 build that does not feature a turret HLC. It makes shots with it and the stress droid ups the attack of the YT-2400 to 3.

Eaden Vrill + Heavy Laser Cannon (39)
Tarn Mison + R3-A2 (25)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)

you could always drop the 7 points from the HLC and go with more beef elsewhere in the squad. perhaps something like this:

Eaden Vrill + Gunner (37)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
Bandit Squadron Pilot (12)
"Hobbie" Klivian + R3-A2 (27)

List 2

Dash Rendar

+Outrider

+Heavy Laser Cannon

Chewbacca

+C-3PO

+Gunner

+Millennium Falcon

+Veteran Instincts

100 even.

I have been flying almost this exact squad on Vassal. The Only difference is giving the Veteran Instincts to Dash instead of Chewbacca. Having Dash at PS9 is very relevant in todays meta and gives you better flexibility with his barrel roll action. I've even played games where my opponent failed to even get a shot off at Dash.

If it turns out that the HLC and Outrider upgrades are the only thing keeping the YT-2400 viable in a competitive environment, so be it. it won't be the only ship that needs certain upgrades to be viable. Just ask the Y-Wing and Tie Phantom.

I ran the following list last week and had a lot of fun with it.

Dash with HLC, Title, and VI

Jake with TItle, Refit, PTL, and LoneWolf

Gemmer with Title, Refit and PTL

For the points it was a lot of fun, I enjoyed having the A-Wings to work as clean up for the YT. I think I might find a few more points to drop and pull LoneWolf and see if I can't give Dash Lebo and PTL.

All I know is I can not wait to see what the new cannons in wave 6 bring to the outrider!

So I have two things that I would like some input on after reading multiple post which touch the outrider.

1. Is the outrider able to be competitive without the HLC and titile? On the same note is so what would a 100point list with Dash HLC Title look like?

I actually think that the HLC+Title combo is not as great. It just costs so many points.

I find that the YT-2400 fills a sweet spot between the ORS and the named YT-1300s.

2 attack dice isn't great, but 360 firing arc without being limited to 1 damage or requiring a focus token is pretty awesome. I think the damage output potential, over the course of a game, will be comparable (maybe even better) to a three attack dice ship.

2 agility is great. With plenty of hull and shields the YT-2400 is going to a bear to take down.

I save what I am most excited about for last. Barrel Roll!!! Yes, they did gimp it a little bit. But it was clearly OP without the new barrel roll rules. But it is still awesome. With most ships a barrel roll that takes you out of a firing arc is likely to deny you a shot as well. On the firespray that rear arc meant you often still got a shot. Expert Handling + Named Firespray was one of my favorite combo. Now the YT-2400 get the barrel roll for free, it doesn't cost them any stress and you are almost always guaranteed a shot.

I am so looking forward to this little ship.