Ok, so I have read now 2 or 3 places that you cannot mix and match. for instance, I have 4 headhunters for rebels, when my 2 most wanted packs arrive, i will have 8 total z-95s. has the scum z-95 dial been revealed? are the manuvers different? If not, it seems to me there should be no problem assembling an 8 z-95 swarm using 4 rebs and 4 scum. I realize you would have to restrict pilot cards and therefore upgrades, and that make sense. It also follows that the rebels and scum both would fly whatever they could get their hands on. If the dials show the same manuvers, why would this be a problem. (Oh, and I know I cannot spell maneuvers, I have simply made a desicion not to hurt myself trying.) thoughts?

In saying this, I am syaing you would simply declare them all from one faction or the other, with the restriction of pilots, mechs and upgrades specific to that faction. (can't fly cracken with the scum, for instance). Cannot use illicit upgrades on non-scum ships. I mean, isn't this in effect what we have done with boba? same model, possibly same dial, just different pilot card? Also, not sure why the dials should be different. same ship. neither the rebels nor the scum have a well established pilot training program. they threw luke in the cockpit with not orientation at all. ( I dont care how much natural ability you have. you cannot take a great cropduster pilot and throw him in an f-16 and expect a good result.)

The dials have not been revealed. I think the expectation is that you'll be using old-school ships with Scum. I'm sure using them in casual play will be no big deal, but using them in a tourney will require dials, pilot tokens and cards from the Scum and Villainy faction.

models are legal cross-faction. We have received confirmation that cross-faction Dials, base tiles, and cards are NOT legal. No word yet if the dials are the same, but it is likely that they are. So, cross faction dials are limited to social play, identical or not.

Also, a crop duster pilot got into an F16 in Independence Day and WON THE WAR, so your argument there is invalid.

GOOD DAY, SIR

I imagine that other than official FFG events (as in, actually run by FFG employees, not just official tournaments in their store championships or whatever run by local TOs) no one should really have an issue with it. Obviously FFG employees are going to follow their official FFG written policy, but any other person should be understanding of "I own 8 Z-95s and i don't want to buy 4-8 more Z-95s just because of the dials being cosmetically different." FFG probably understands but as an official entity they basically have to follow their own rules exactly

and blew up the death star.

I understand that the tiles and cards all need to be from one faction, just dont get the ruling about the dials. unless the maneuvers are different. I guess if the dials have not been revealed, we just dont know yet,

Also, a crop duster pilot got into an F16 in Independence Day and WON THE WAR, so your argument there is invalid.

GOOD DAY, SIR

To be fair he also flew f-4's in 'the 'nam". But I will still award the point to blue.

it does not do any good for the models to be cross faction if the dials are not.

models are legal cross-faction. We have received confirmation that cross-faction Dials, base tiles, and cards are NOT legal. No word yet if the dials are the same, but it is likely that they are. So, cross faction dials are limited to social play, identical or not.

Where's the confirmation posted?

I imagine that other than official FFG events (as in, actually run by FFG employees, not just official tournaments in their store championships or whatever run by local TOs) no one should really have an issue with it. Obviously FFG employees are going to follow their official FFG written policy, but any other person should be understanding of "I own 8 Z-95s and i don't want to buy 4-8 more Z-95s just because of the dials being cosmetically different." FFG probably understands but as an official entity they basically have to follow their own rules exactly

However, I'd also hope that there will be plenty of people at those tourneys with spare Scum parts who would be willing to loan you that stuff if you really wanted to fly it.

I was pretty sure Frank from the design team had answered this question definitively:

The Models can be used for either faction

The Dials, Base Cards, and Pilot Cards will NOT cross faction.

So if you have enough extra generic pilot cards you could use them for either Rebels or Scum. But that is about it.

It is putting fuel on the fire that that dials may be different for the Zs and Ys then they are for the Rebels.

it does not do any good for the models to be cross faction if the dials are not.

Sure it does. I have 6 Z-95's so I could use 3 Rebel painted ones and 3 S&V painted ones, because I have the correct dials.

The most wanted set comes with 2 Y-Wing dials so you can use rebel Y-Wings with S&V dials and pilot cars.

models are legal cross-faction. We have received confirmation that cross-faction Dials, base tiles, and cards are NOT legal. No word yet if the dials are the same, but it is likely that they are. So, cross faction dials are limited to social play, identical or not.

Where's the confirmation posted?

A fan emailed FFG and got a direct response from Frank Brooks, a lead designer on the game. You can view the posting here: http://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F114166-scum-and-villainy-most-wanted-expantion-question%2Fpage-2#entry1224252

Makes some sense for the dials to be different. The things that stress or calm a trained Rebel pilot may not have the same effect on a fringer merc pilot, and the Scum may have lower maintenance and pilot safety standards for their ships.

There was a great big threat that covered this topic.

It appears that FFG is going crazy and saying "no" to using the "wrong factions" dial on your ship. Of course I looked at the tournament rules and FAQ and actually see TWO things that will need to change otherwise I believe it should be PERFECTLY legal.

1. There is a section where it talks about using "the wrong dial" and basically states that if the wrong dial is used but it shows a legal maneuver (ie. one that would be on the ship's dial) you just play it as such.

2. There is nothing stating that you can NOT modify the appearance of your ship's dials provided it does not change their function. It looks to me like I could make all of the surfaces (excluding maneuvers of course) black and the dial would still be legal to use. Assuming the Scum dial are the same as dials for the original ships I don't see what could prevent you from "personalizing" all of Z-95 dials that way making them indistinguishable.

If the dials show the same manuvers, why would this be a problem.

Because FFG wants you to buy more copies of the same ship. Unless the dials have different maneuvers/colors it's a blatant attempt to add to FFG's profit margin at the expense of reasonable tournament rules. If the dials are in fact the same I would expect every tournament not run by FFG's own employees, including sanctioned events, to overrule such an obviously stupid decision and allow you to use whichever dial you want.

to overrule such an obviously stupid decision and allow you to use whichever dial you want.

By that logic we should be able to use lego models on X-Wing bases and call it good. I'm saying they shouldn't reconsider the decision. But it's pretty clear why they made it, so as you say, they can sell more models.

I just fail to see why that's a stupid thing for them to do.

I think they'll reconsider that one email reply once they realize how much more sense it makes by being lax about this.

The dials are the same. I will be personalizing my dials. Adding a "cover" to the back which includes the name of the ship, maybe even the pilot.

In the end the point is moot, because I probably will never fly more than 1 or 2 scum z95s as the Scyks are awesome.

I think having all the dials on one side LOOK the same is important. Its already confusing when playing mirror matches. Now imagine a Rebel vs Scum match with a four rebel zs and a four scum zs, but only only 2 scum painted zs and dials, with 6 rebel painted zs and dials. It will get confusing. This is the perfect opportunity for a third party comany to make a dial topper.

Basically a back cap with the female axel joint, and a top cap with the male axel joint, a cut out to hold onto the dial cut out (to see the manuever) and a cut out to see the ship name.

Id buy them fore all my ships.

I just fail to see why that's a stupid thing for them to do.

Because it's a GW-style attempt to extort every possible bit of profit out of their customers no matter what the cost. Is the small increase in sales of scum boxes really worth making their loyal customers unhappy by telling them they can't use the existing things they bought just because the cardboard is a different color? I doubt it.

And even if it benefits FFG as a business it's still a stupid way to run a tournament. Therefore the only events that are likely to enforce this rule are the ones run by FFG's own employees. Anyone else is getting no benefit from the rule and has no incentive to make their players unhappy by enforcing it.

The bottom right dial in the S&V news article is a Z-95 dial that looks to show the 3-K maneuver to me so I'd say the dials are the same as current Rebel dials.

For one I kinda got my local store started on xwing and ordering the tournament event kits for it. All of us that play at these events...will be using rebel ywing and z95 movement dials with scum pilot cards. Who cares if you're movement dial isn't the offcial scum painted dial. The maneuvers are going to be the same.....even at an event that is run by an FFG employee...thats really lame if they wouldnt let you use a rebel dial with a scum ship that has a scum template, and a scum pilot. Who the heck cares, and if anyone argues that it isn't "legal"...please its a game...

Because it's a GW-style attempt to extort every possible bit of profit out of their customers no matter what the cost.

It's hardly on par with what GW does. But again how is it different then requiring the model itself? By your logic we should be able to proxy everything other then perhaps the base itself. Because everything is just an attempt to get us to spend as much money as possible.