Please excuse me for demanding a boycott of one of the mainstays of Star Wars, but when going through the books published so far, I found CEC so overrepresented that I would like to to kindly request to see less of them. Not counting the adventures, so far we have the following manufacturers represented with the following number of ships (roughly - some may have been counted double or I may have overlooked someone):

CEC: 29

KDY/KSE: 14

SFS: 13

Incom(Incom/Subpro): 5

Koensayr, SoroSuub, Rendili, Nubia: 3 each

Gallofree, Ghtroc, Loronar: 2 each

Leonore, Telgorn, Surronian, MandalMotors, TransGal Meg, Slayn Korpil, Mon Calamari: 1 each

Admittedly Suns of Fortune is a book on the Corellians (± 8 CEC ships), but even that could have been 50/50 between other corellian manufacturers, Nubia and Duros (who invented hyper travel but don't produce a single ship if I'm not mistaken) and even without SoF it's pretty one sided.

This imbalance becomes even more skewed when you only look at ships suitable for player groups (Sil 5 and smaller), because that discards half of KDY, and a couple of smaller ones altogether, but no CEC ships.

Anyway, maybe we could have a few less CEC ships and a bit more manufacturer diversity.

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Might be cause players like the designs...

This seems like arguing that Samsung is overrepresented in smartphones. CEC specializes in small-medium ships, and the game focuses on the same, so it's not really surprising that so many CEC designs have appeared.

Many of those ships come from EU, and when a writer needed a manufacturer for a small freighter that they created, CEC was already well established.

Oh my. Are we going to see a March on the Corellian Trade Spine?

As HappyDaze said, they are famous for light freighters. I assume if you also counted the types of ships released thus far, light freighters would also be over-represented.

Corellia was the first ship manufacturer mentioned in canon (by Solo when escaping Tattooine). So it's not shocker that we see plenty of them in future novels, games, etc.

Disney would seem to agree with you. the Tantive IV is no longer Corellian in canon.

Sometimes the new broom sweeps too clean I think.

Oh my. Are we going to see a March on the Corellian Trade Spine?

No but somebody hackes the deathstar's icloud and got a bunch of palpatine's nude selfies...

Oh my. Are we going to see a March on the Corellian Trade Spine?

No but somebody hackes the deathstar's icloud and got a bunch of palpatine's nude selfies...

Aww, look... what a cute shar pei... hey, wait a minute...

As others have mentioned the most common type of ship model in FFG Star Wars so far is the type CEC is best known for.

Of those 29 CEC ships I count 4 fighters, 4 capital warships, and a ton of light freighters, bulk freighters and shuttles. SFS outnumbers them in published Fighter models, and KDY in capital warships.

And yeah for some strange reason the EU/Legends has many worlds known for shipbuilding, several for thousands or tens of thousands of years that are remarkably light on locally designed craft, if they have any at all.

CEC is basically the Ford or GM of space trucks.

They're kind of ordinary, everyone has one or the other, some don't like starting on cold planets, but otherwise make up for it in the aftermarket parts and a hairy 7ft, knuckle dragging mutant can punch one back into some semblance of operation.

Just don't ask about the recalls

I tend to just make up my own ships, anyways, so CEC being so big isn't too bad.

But yes, I've noticed this, and it feels like they're being used way too much. Of course, the books also say that they are the most successful, and many of their ships have blurbs that say they aren't the best and only have small followings. Whenever you see another ship by some other company, it's made to try to overcome the CEC market, but they all inevitably fail. It probably involves a love of the company more than he ships themselves, not to mention they already have a standing name in light freighters while the other markets have to try to say "We're even better!"

Although slightly annoying, it makes sense in the end. Plus, without CEC, how would we have all of our Han Solo wannabees?

In all fairness there are plenty of non-CEC Light Freighters in Legends and even in the older RPG material but not many have been converted to FFG yet. Plus many of those were produced by companies that for <insert reason here> have closed down before the EOE/AOR era.

And CEC is one of only two of the four confirmed founding Shipwrights known to still be operating. Rendili is the other. Alderaan Royal Engineering shut down after Alderaan was destroyed, and very few of its craft have been shown in Legends/EU, with those that have all being warships that were almost all scrapped 19 years before the planet was destroyed, or space stations. Core Galaxy Systems was absorbed by KDY centuries before EOE/AOR take place. And while there was almost certainly a Duros founding shipwright the fact that Duros was bombed to toothpaste at least twice, once in the Mandalorian Wars, and again during the Clone Wars means that they most likely aren't nearly as productive as CEC.

Any small company is probably going to find it very tough to compete on the galactic market, so their ships will likely be limited to the local systems where they operate. While you'll find CEC ships literally everywhere.

As the rules are only meant to reflect the most general of options, they're only going to present the most common items available.

Lets just be glad that they didn't limit all items and only did ships. Otherwise we'd be complaining that we have far more options for Blas-tec blasters.

I'd wager that at any major spaceport, 60% of vessels will be from one of the 4 major ship manufacturers. The rest will be of local designs not worth mentioning and the next spaceport would have an entirely different crop of local ships.

somehow ended up in wrong thread.

I'd wager that at any major spaceport, 60% of vessels will be from one of the 4 major ship manufacturers. The rest will be of local designs not worth mentioning and the next spaceport would have an entirely different crop of local ships.

I would say that 60% would be the absolute max for the big 4 at a major starport outside their home territories with 15% to 30% being local designs and the rest being designs from other regions. But a lot of that 60% would be CEC models since of the major shipwrights they are the one most focused on the civilian market. You shouldn't discount local designs though they can be just as good as the craft from the huge shipwrights.

While I love CEC ships, so many awesome designs! I'd love FFG to use space for other manufacturers too, perhaps even come up with something of their own (which they might've done already, but I haven't noticed that), a new manufacturer, a new design style... that would awesome.

While I love CEC ships, so many awesome designs! I'd love FFG to use space for other manufacturers too, perhaps even come up with something of their own (which they might've done already, but I haven't noticed that), a new manufacturer, a new design style... that would awesome.

I think some of the Nubian designs are new.

You mean a company that specializes in making freighters is overpopulated in a game series that focuses on being smugglers and freelance cargo haulers! For shame!

But seriously, CEC is a company that is most known in the Star Wars EU so it is not suprising. Would I like to see more diversity, absolutely. However then FFG would have to go into the area of designing their own ships or making their own designs for ships never previously seen.

Plus the EU isn't a big help when it comes to moving on, the New Republic simply used retrofitted X-Wings for nearly 50 years after the Battle of Yavin, supposedly the E-Wing was made to replace it but that never came to pass.

Fans like the classics, and you can never please people. So while I don't think it is a problem, I would like to see a more varied ship selection as well as see something we've heard about but never actually seen.

While I love CEC ships, so many awesome designs! I'd love FFG to use space for other manufacturers too, perhaps even come up with something of their own (which they might've done already, but I haven't noticed that), a new manufacturer, a new design style... that would awesome.

I think some of the Nubian designs are new.

I think all but one of the Nubian designs are new, the Rendili Xanter class Exploration Frigate is new 4R3 Light Assault Transport is new, and the Starbolt Assault Carrier is new, and I'm pretty sure that many of the ships from Far Horizons are new. I'm hoping for more new ships in the upcoming AOR Ace book too.

I also would like to see a little more representation of other makers, but I've no problem with the dominance CEC currently enjoys. Perhaps with the AoR region book they'll cover Incom/Subpro designs, or Mon Cal/Verpine hybrids, in a little more quantity?

And if it's an in-universe issue, feel free to take the same numbers and say it's actually a 'Rothana Bulk Freighter A32' with a look of your choosing.

I also would like to see a little more representation of other makers, but I've no problem with the dominance CEC currently enjoys. Perhaps with the AoR region book they'll cover Incom/Subpro designs, or Mon Cal/Verpine hybrids, in a little more quantity?

And if it's an in-universe issue, feel free to take the same numbers and say it's actually a 'Rothana Bulk Freighter A32' with a look of your choosing.

Also I imagine that once some non-Corellian Sector EOE Region books are out there will be a lot more non-CEC Light Freighters in the system.

I doubt that any one company will ever have more Light Freighter models then CEC but in time the overall non-CEC Light Freighter model selection might reach parity with or even surpass CEC's Light Freighter model catalog.

So has anyone done a deck plan and stats for the zygarian an freighter from clone wars slaver arc?



Edit: what the hell was my phone thinking? Zygote????

I think some of the Nubian designs are new.

Nubian stuff is fairly bespoke anyway, walk in with huge wads of cash, flip through chassis designs, colour charts and armaments, walk out with much less money and something shiny that's a spaceship.

I 100% support this motion.

As soon as I get the stats on a YT-2000.

And possibly a YT-1930.

I 100% support this motion.

As soon as I get the stats on a YT-2000.

And possibly a YT-1930.

I'd like to see the 1930... I know it's BASED on the flying hubcap design, but I like non-hubcappy ship designs.