My question is when are you considered to have failed a CC? Like lets say my opponent plays a 6 diff attack, and I am holding Invoking the Ancients. Well when they make a CC they flip a 3. Now they have the foundations to commit for the check but is the check concidered to have failed the check and I am able to play ItA or do the have to have too few foundation to successfully make the check?

After a control is made then the player may choose to either have it be as is or may upgrade the check value by commiting foundations or using abilities... but if they leave it as is then they fail the check if they cannot fullfil the requirement. so you may really only use that Invoking the Ancients when they just leave the check under the needed requirement.

after a control check is made is when the check is determine whether or not it is passed or failed. If the difficulty is a 6 and the check is a 3 then the check is failed. You then have the option to modify the control check by committing foundations or by some other ability.

So to answer your question, if the card requires your opponent to fail a control check to play a card, and the control of the overturned card is less then the difficulty of the card your opponent attempted to play, then the check has failed and you may now play your card paying all costs and following all restirctions.

DeathbySandman said:

The way that I am reading this is that, yes, I can play Invoking the Ancients even if my opponent has enough foundations to make the check. Can I get an official word on this one way or the other.

A control check is not complete untill after all modifiers are applied and the checking player decides if they want to commit foundations to make the check pass.

8.1.3.3 If the player’s check was less than the required difficulty, then they must either commit enough foundations to make the check successful or fail the control check and thus their attempt to play the card. (See 8.1.3.5)

8.1.3.4 If a player checks less than the difficulty they needed to pass the check, they may commit a number of ready character or foundation cards in their staging area equal to the difference between their control check and the difficulty they were checking against. If a player does so, they are then successful and they continue on as normal. A player may also commit their character card like it was a foundation to make up the difference between the check and the difficulty needed.

8.1.3.5 If the player fails to play a card from his hand as a form, the card goes to the discard pile with no effect. Then play proceeds to the End Phase (See 9.0 The End Phase).

Good post, Proto.

So to answer your specific question, Suija:

You must wait for your opponent to decide if they will commit foundations to make it pass. If they commit foundations, the check is successful. Otherwise, wait for them to say, "I'm going to let that fail," or something similar. (If they don't say anything and just stare at their staging area, prompt them with a question; if they simply discard the card they're trying to play, you can assume they're choosing to fail, but it never hurts to ask.) Once they choose to let the check fail, then you can respond to the check failing.

Note that by the time you respond to the check failing, they've already chosen not to commit foundations, so they would not be able to commit foundations after that point, either.

ARMed_PIrate said:

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