That is indeed a good question? Sure the blade of the saber can't sunder the other blade of the other saber. A vibro-ax would itself be sundered if it tried to sunder the blade part of the lightsaber would it not? But aim for the hilt, then what? Considering you just need 1 advantage to sunder a weapon, it would make lightsaber fights a little less exciting if you just break the enemy lightsaber. The person with the highest initiative would have the advantage there.

Yes a Lightsaber can sunder another Lightsaber hilt, but it doesn't work quite how you described. When you spend an advantage to sunder an item, that lowers the item's durability once per sunder action on a scale. From undamaged to minor damage, minor damage to moderate damage, moderate damage to major damage, major damage to destroyed. So it would take 4 sunder actions to sunder a weapon from undamaged to destroyed, requiring 1 advantage for each sunder adding up to a total of 4 advantage to destroy an item completely.

Now, it's still possible to completely sunder someone's weapon with a single attack because you can activate the sunder quality multiple times with the results of one check. So if you rolled 4 advantage, you could completely destroy an otherwise undamaged item.

When a capable combatant tries to sunder your weapon that sounds like a really great time to spend a destiny point to increase the difficulty of their combat check.

When a capable combatant tries to sunder your weapon that sounds like a really great time to spend a destiny point to increase the difficulty of their combat check.

When a capable combatant tries to sunder your weapon that sounds like a really great time to spend a destiny point to increase the difficulty of their combat check.

The rules don't work that way.

There is the capability for them to work this way. Pg 26 F&D, bottom left hand corner. The section titled "raising the stakes".

"Destiny can also be used to help keep characters out of harm's way. Characters can call on destiny to make an opponent's skill check more challenging. A single player may spend one light side Destiny Point to upgrade the difficulty of any NPC's skill check by one."

Now, if you completely keep it a secret that you plan to attempt a sunder until after the combat check has been made, you could say that.

Yes a Lightsaber can sunder another Lightsaber hilt, but it doesn't work quite how you described. When you spend an advantage to sunder an item, that lowers the item's durability once per sunder action on a scale. From undamaged to minor damage, minor damage to moderate damage, moderate damage to major damage, major damage to destroyed. So it would take 4 sunder actions to sunder a weapon from undamaged to destroyed, requiring 1 advantage for each sunder adding up to a total of 4 advantage to destroy an item completely.

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This. It costs 4 advantages to completely destroy a weapon via sunder. Or, with a stock basic lightsaber, that's a crit with a +10 on the roll, or a crit with a +30 on the roll if the crit rating has been improved. Against anything but a nemesis a crit means defeat, so it's usually better to crit the weapon wielder than to sunder the weapon.

Against a nemesis with a lightsaber, you can surely spend the 4 advantages to remove their 'saber from the fight…and watch in horror as they use their "back up" weapon of Force lightning. Or group Bind. Or Move, throwing you into your allies. When a Force user is concentrating on 'saber battling, they're not using Force powers against you. And if you were to destroy their 'saber, they might just be pissed enough to pull out all the stops and make you "pay for your insolence!"

-EF

Sunder is a quality that can be activated with enough Advantage, right?

So the time it's being activated, the dice have already been rolled and there's no way to use a Destiny Point to upgrade a check that's been rolled already.

Ok, I’ve been checking the combat potential of the force users under FaD. Until I’ve realized, a lightsaber blade can't be sundered, moreover, according to edge of the empire, and age of rebellion, lightsabers can't be sundered.

But the lightsaber forms can disarm a lightsaber-armed opponent using “Sum Djem” with a cost of 2 advantages, to counter it you can take the Makashi duelist talent "resist disarm" that prevents your weapon from being disarmed or destroyed at a cost of 2 strain.

I thought lightsabers couldn't be sundered? That would leave the only option "double triumph" if you wanted to destroy the item they are using. (Or just one end of a double-bladed lightsaber)

There seems to be some minor confusion. Basically, what I think Demigonis is trying to say, is that he can say "Bob the Inquisitor is going to attack you, and he's aiming for your lightsaber!" At which point, it is fine to upgrade the check since the dice has not been rolled, just that the intention of the attack has been declared and that it's being pointed out what the actual goal of the attack is. Not that it's necessary to say you plan to sunder a player's lightsaber, but you can if you want to help them out. Which is okay.

Not, as people seem to think is, "Bob attacks", dice gets rolled, then saying "Oh, and he's going to sunder your saber", THEN flipping a Destiny.

Ok, I’ve been checking the combat potential of the force users under FaD. Until I’ve realized, a lightsaber blade can't be sundered, moreover, according to edge of the empire, and age of rebellion, lightsabers can't be sundered.

I thought lightsabers couldn't be sundered? That would leave the only option "double triumph" if you wanted to destroy the item they are using. (Or just one end of a double-bladed lightsaber)

EotE and AoR do state that lightsabers cannot be sundered. Whether that holds for FaD isn't clear since the same text is absent in the book, at least for now.

I can see the argument for allowing Shotos and Basic Lightsabers not being able to be Sundered due to their smaller sizes that make it harder to actually hit the hilt without just hitting the blade or hitting an opponent's limb. But, maybe similar to what Gigerstreak mentioned, smaller hilts can require the activation of Sum Djem first, and then activating Sunder.

But there's no reason why all lightsabers should be completely immune since, as we've seen, the Double-Bladed Lightsaber can be sliced up.

But there's no reason why all lightsabers should be completely immune since, as we've seen, the Double-Bladed Lightsaber can be sliced up.

I don't think lightsabers should be sunderable, it never happens in the media...except that one time where a double is sundered to a single, so maybe that's the exception, but I'd still need a triumph or double triumph for that to happen. A lightsaber could be destroyed by other means of course, like being disarmed and it falls into metal-stamping machine, but that's narrative.

But there's no reason why all lightsabers should be completely immune since, as we've seen, the Double-Bladed Lightsaber can be sliced up.

I don't think lightsabers should be sunderable, it never happens in the media...except that one time where a double is sundered to a single, so maybe that's the exception, but I'd still need a triumph or double triumph for that to happen. A lightsaber could be destroyed by other means of course, like being disarmed and it falls into metal-stamping machine, but that's narrative.

I suggest rewatching the Dooku vs. Anakin battle towards the end of Attack of the Clones.

Dooku pretty clearly sunders the off-hand lightsaber that Anakin was using during his dual-wielding spree. On top of Darth Maul's saberstaff getting sundered, I'd call that pretty good canon example of lightsabers being subject to sunder.

As I've mentioned repeatedly, all that's really needed is a means for the character to recover the lightsaber crystal from a destroyed lightsaber (possibly even retaining some of the modifications already made if you roll well enough on the check), and then it becomes a simple matter of dropping a few hundred credits for a new hilt and you're back in the game. Also specify that the cost of repairing a damaged lightsaber is based upon the cost of just the hilt, which at 300 credits for a basic lightsaber hilt isn't that much.

Now, if you completely keep it a secret that you plan to attempt a sunder until after the combat check has been made, you could say that.

No we don;t announce the "I'm going to be spending X Advatages on Y" before we roll... since we don't know what the results are until after the roll. We just roll and let the Narrative build from what is rolled.

There seems to be some minor confusion. Basically, what I think Demigonis is trying to say, is that he can say "Bob the Inquisitor is going to attack you, and he's aiming for your lightsaber!" At which point, it is fine to upgrade the check since the dice has not been rolled, just that the intention of the attack has been declared and that it's being pointed out what the actual goal of the attack is. Not that it's necessary to say you plan to sunder a player's lightsaber, but you can if you want to help them out. Which is okay.

Not, as people seem to think is, "Bob attacks", dice gets rolled, then saying "Oh, and he's going to sunder your saber", THEN flipping a Destiny.

This. During combat we often give some amount of narrative indication as to what our character might intend to attempt to accomplish with their next check before they roll it. Then they roll and see how it works out. "Oh, looks like you didn't get the advantage necessary to try what you were intending, what would you like to spend the advantage that you did earn on?" Almost like calling an audible in american Football.

Well you could also aim for the weapon with the intent to sunder it if the GM approves.

Since we see in the highest form of canon (the movies), and since the text stating "lightsabers cannot be sundered" is not present in the F&D rules, I'd have to go with lightsabers can certainly be sundered now.

We have construction rules for lightsabers as Dono said above. The hilt may be gone but the crystal can likely be recovered. Cheap to replace, relatively speaking. Heck, may even be nothing if you can get access to a junkyard. (Looking at you, Corran Horn...)

Dooku pretty clearly sunders the off-hand lightsaber that Anakin was using during his dual-wielding spree.

I don't recall that, I thought he just chopped his hand. I'll have to re-watch.

In any case, it's a very rare thing in all the media. I'd have to call the system broken if the PCs and NPCs can sunder each other's lightsabers with any kind of frequency. Who would spend all that money and time getting and customizing a lightsaber if whoever gets initiative can destroy it?

Yup, Donovan's right, Dooku sliced the tip off pretty fast into the fight.

And really, lightsaber sundering isn't too much of an issue. A lot of people are looking at it as "now I need to move everything over to a new hilt - and now I lose all my attachments," but really, it's just a Hard Mechanics/Lightsaber check (for those who may have forgotten, Mechanics is the default skill to repair, but the skill you use to fight with the weapon can also be used to repair it) and the base cost of the hilt in spare parts to repair it.

Also: just noticed Dooku's lightning/Unleash had a sort of Move thing going on where he slams Anakin into the wall with it.

Who would spend all that money and time getting and customizing a lightsaber if whoever gets initiative can destroy it?

While I agree that would be a major hit to moral for any PC wielding a lightsaber, I have to agree with DarthGM and Dono and say that once the battle is over the componants for the Lightsaber can be easily retrieved. In our current campaign three Lightsaber hilts have been discovered and the group is looking high and low for a suitable crystal. (allowing me to stall till the beta came out.^^) Once they have and build their own lightsaber I will probably let them "feel the power flow through" them but will probably have a Sith inquistor or a Bounty Hunter on Fett's bad ass level try and sunder their sabers and remind them that Jedi aren't invincible. (Vis a Vis "Nobody can kill a Jedi" "I wish that were true.") I think the Sundering of such a legendary weapon simply has too much dramatic value not to do once or twice.

Also: just noticed Dooku's lightning/Unleash had a sort of Move thing going on where he slams Anakin into the wall with it.

As count Dooku is totally bad ass he can do that...

Well he might have the talent "the Force is my ally" and used either of them as a maneuver and the other as the action.

Also: just noticed Dooku's lightning/Unleash had a sort of Move thing going on where he slams Anakin into the wall with it.

As count Dooku is totally bad ass he can do that...

Well he might have the talent "the Force is my ally" and used either of them as a maneuver and the other as the action.

That's kinda what I was thinking. If built as a PC, he'd already have Mystic as his career to grab Makashi Duelist, so it's not much of a leap to figure he'd grab Seer for the Force Rating upgrades and other nifty talents like The Force is My Ally.

Also Dooku trained Qui-Gon which implies that he is REALLY experienced, and Yoda was his Master. Another line in the movies has Anakin boasting about his lightsaber skills that he could rival Master Yoda, and Obi's response "Only in your Dreams...." which implies Yoda teaches saber combat and is a Master in Saber combat. We would expect that Yoda would have imparted the saber combat skills on his Padawan through his training. All of that to say, if we stated Dooku, his saber skills would be, if not maxed out, close to it. I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 or 5 Yellows in his pool, more than ample to get 2 triumphs in the first rounds of combat.

>not have a cortosis hilt

It's like you guys don't know how to play the game

Well with the errata just released, the answer to this topic is NO, you cannot sunder a light saber.

Well with the errata just released, the answer to this topic is NO, you cannot sunder a light saber.

Can't say I'm crazy about that, but at least they added some extra text regarding spending double Triumph to destroy a lightsaber, namely that the crystal can be salvaged with the modifications intact.

Which also makes it sounds like any crystal modifications are indeed to the crystal itself as opposed to parts of the hilt.