Puttin mah money where mah mouth is - REAL evidence

By MarcoPulleaux, in UFS General Discussion

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MarcoPulleaux said:

Archimedes said:

Though if I can let you all in on a secret: Death eats this meta game alive.

Agreed, which is why I keep saying SOMEBODY needs to take the balls out of their purse and get some Death Donovan action in this game.

Perfect Sense of Balance, as people have already discovered, is sometimes BETTER than Red Lotus. It doesn't negate the commit, but it sure as hell discourages it (in a way that Torn Hero may not). Death also has universal board control (No Mems/EDD, Oral, Inhuman), Saikyo-ryu (discard that evades anti-discard), enough kill switches (Menuet, Vibrato, Tsurane), and a host of good characters (Donovan, Zi Mei, Victor, etc).

People need to put down their scales and pitchforks for a minute and start picking up some Poor Yoricks.

Death Donovan isn't very good.

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MegaGeese said:

Death Donovan isn't very good.

Then we're in disagreement.

He may be better in Order/Water (again, arguably), but you might be thinking about how he USED to suck off Death (because there's no denying he sure as Hell DID suck off Death when he came out), as opposed to now where he not only has a plethora of cheap and awesome foundations, but with his draw can utilize both the control and aggro bestowed upon him.

I can't think of another characer in this game who can reliably use Inhuman Perception, Revenant's Calling, AND Saikyo-ryu all in one deck.

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MegaGeese said:

Death Donovan isn't very good.

But he vibrates! Surely that's good for something.

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MarcoPulleaux said:

MegaGeese said:

Death Donovan isn't very good.

Then we're in disagreement.

He may be better in Order/Water (again, arguably), but you might be thinking about how he USED to suck off Death (because there's no denying he sure as Hell DID suck off Death when he came out), as opposed to now where he not only has a plethora of cheap and awesome foundations, but with his draw can utilize both the control and aggro bestowed upon him.

I can't think of another characer in this game who can reliably use Inhuman Perception, Revenant's Calling, AND Saikyo-ryu all in one deck.

And the whole handsize thing is something I've been annoying-ly preaching since Death got all the new tools.

If I didn't trade away all my Shredding Vibratos, I may have tried to make a tri-symbol donovan. Death attack base with Order/Water foundation base gogo.

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HolyDragonCloud said:

If I didn't trade away all my Shredding Vibratos, I may have tried to make a tri-symbol donovan. Death attack base with Order/Water foundation base gogo.

You SHOULD have it the other way around. Spinta + Feline is one of Donovan's best qualities. Back those two up with Death's stupid lame control and then Spin-Spike them into the ground.

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I also agree I think donovan is the best user of Vibrato off of death.

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Death Donovan is a mistake because he has poor symbols for Manifest Destiny.

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Archimedes said:

Death Donovan is a mistake because he has poor symbols for Manifest Destiny.

yeah, it's pretty much his only negative, but it's a doozy. However, his card drawing and cardpool clearing are great for Death, and Mighty Knee Strike + Flooded Nile Throw are some amazing 1 speeders.

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Archimedes said:

Death Donovan is a mistake because he has poor symbols for Manifest Destiny.

Not true, there is one incredibly potent card that goes with Donovan+Manifest. First one to come up with it gets a cookie ^^

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I don't find Lunar Slash all that threatening.

Then again, there's also High Plasma Beam.

But neither of those have Death.

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quarzark said:

yeah, it's pretty much his only negative, but it's a doozy. However, his card drawing and cardpool clearing are great for Death, and Mighty Knee Strike + Flooded Nile Throw are some amazing 1 speeders.

One of the bestest attacks evar.

People are too concerned about Death Donovan's attacks and not enough about his foundations .

The reason why I say Death Donovan is because he CAN draw, thus utilizing card-dependent cards such as Inhuman, Revenant's, and Saikyo. As far as his attacks go, you can really try next to anything, because any Donovan player knows they WILL draw what they need if they're playing correctly.

And Throws are certainly a good start, not just because they're throws, but because they're low in speed.

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Perhaps I didn't make myself very clear.

I've tried playing it, specifically FOR the Vibrato angle, plus Saikyo, Revenant's, etc.

It sucks.

S. U. C. K. S.

Though that's just this reporter's opinion.

The attacks are very, very slow, which means that Spike as a Reversal is going to chew up and spit our your vitality before you GET to Vibrato.

And no, sniping with Saikyo isn't going to stop a clever/good opponent from doing that.

It's just not good enough.

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Just a thought...

Don't run Vibrato?

My experiences with Death Donovan never included Vibrato.

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Death Blanka with Ichi/Launcher/Breaker/Menuette

That is all

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Archimedes said:

Death Blanka with Ichi/Launcher/Breaker/Menuette

That is all

Worst part is, that's the least of Blanka's tricks.

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Homme Chapeau said:

Archimedes said:

Death Blanka with Ichi/Launcher/Breaker/Menuette

That is all

Worst part is, that's the least of Blanka's tricks.

Agreed

I haven't seen these recent Blankas that are doing well at regionals, but one could wager they are ran off of Death.

That one would be I.

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Homme Chapeau said:

Archimedes said:

Death Blanka with Ichi/Launcher/Breaker/Menuette

That is all

Worst part is, that's the least of Blanka's tricks.

Dan's Taunt

:-D

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quarzark said:

Dan's Taunt

:-D

...ew....

and tutor it with Free Will? =/

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MarcoPulleaux said:

quarzark said:

Dan's Taunt

:-D

...ew....

and tutor it with Free Will? =/

Dan's Taunt is one of those cards you think isn't all that good, until someone uses it on you efficently and you're like "god ****..." In very many ways similar to Ostracized, Expelled Humanity, Turnabout etc.

PS. when set 8 first came out, we got 2 BRT's for 2 Dan's Dragon Punch and a Dan's Taunt gran_risa.gif

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Dan's taunt is decent indeed, untill you play an opponent whos running anti discard cards and you get hit for 14 damage from hand. People need to start using thier anti discard cards in a big way.

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quarzark said:

Dan's Taunt is one of those cards you think isn't all that good, until someone uses it on you efficently and you're like "god ****..." In very many ways similar to Ostracized, Expelled Humanity, Turnabout etc.

PS. when set 8 first came out, we got 2 BRT's for 2 Dan's Dragon Punch and a Dan's Taunt gran_risa.gif

Oh please, Dan's Taunt is essentially "if you hit me, your turn ends"

How could that be bad?

Also, nice catch on Expelled Humanity. Why that card doesn't see play I will never know =/

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no more Tri-Symbol Athena? Akuma, BRT, Seclusion, and Olexa? Losing vitality is generally considered bad (unless you're *gasp* a viking!) Willful?

As for the anti-discard cards... discard isn't relevant enough in the current meta. TWoP is the only downright amazing discard, and people rather run card draw, negation etc. because that does more for them then just stop discard. CC-hax is downright everywhere, which is why Willful and Hoping see play. Yi-Shan's starter sees play because grabbing Harrier Bees from my discard pile and putting them into my momentum face up is... dirty...

I think if discard ever becomes very relevant instead of just an after-affect of say Anti-Social, then we'll see a rise again, otherwise, probably not...

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quarzark said:

no more Tri-Symbol Athena? Akuma, BRT, Seclusion, and Olexa? Losing vitality is generally considered bad (unless you're *gasp* a viking!) Willful?

I'll speak on personal experience

Expelled Humanity fails attacks. Period. Unlike BRT, Expelled doesn't replace their attack. Unlike Seclusion, you don't need to be named Akuma. It's simply a good card, especially in Order where they ought to be closed to tapped, and Forethought + Expelled = GL

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MarcoPulleaux said:

quarzark said:

no more Tri-Symbol Athena? Akuma, BRT, Seclusion, and Olexa? Losing vitality is generally considered bad (unless you're *gasp* a viking!) Willful?

I'll speak on personal experience

Expelled Humanity fails attacks. Period. Unlike BRT, Expelled doesn't replace their attack. Unlike Seclusion, you don't need to be named Akuma. It's simply a good card, especially in Order where they ought to be closed to tapped, and Forethought + Expelled = GL

I like it because it has Evil/Fire and THEN order. So I can say... Manifest Destiny Donovan, Seong-Mina, Defender, etc. before they even try to go for the check.

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I had a badass Set 8 Bison built utilizing the Bison R. The card's dirty, and definitely helped with the ever-lovely Transference-Evil Plans combo.

But you pretty much got the gist. As I said, it fails attacks, including ones played as blocks =)