Protoaddict said:

Well if first has always been first, then I can't wait to build broken-ass Akuma. Woot!

We simply have different views on what is breaking the rules, or rather, what amount of breaking the rules is acceptable.

As I'd mention, *Yun-Seong*'s ability to commit momentum was a bit of a rule breaker, because momentum is not considered "in-play", and it's just an otherwise foreign concept. However, no amount of committing momentum ever lead to anything truly broken, merely, it lead to an AMAZING character (who was eventually killed by the advent of Mortal Strike, Ceal of Cessation, Tag Along, and Addes Syndicate).

Elena and PROMO CHUN-LI (because everybody forgets her existence) are the pioneer characters to build on the opponent's turn. However, 6 handsize coupled with mediocre vitality saw it to it they were mid, debatably high tier, but their performance was pretty high risk medium reward, so meh.

Well, in our current time and day, Air and Water are top tier, and even if they weren't, as I'd said earlier, no turn should be

Player A: Foundation, pass. Foundation, pass.
Player B: Respond with an attack.

Screw that. Such an ability might be passible, again, IF IT HAD A COST.

and I might as well address your Lord Raptor comments since I know it's gonna be rubbed in my face if I don't.

Lord Raptor's "I clog your hand" abilities aren't cheating, and were actually done first by Soul of Ivy. As for revealing the top card of the deck, I don't really find that cheating, because we've had Expanded Options, Fortune Teller, Visions of Destiny, and John Herr. Now if Lord Raptor played with his deck face-up the entire game? Yeah, Hell no.

Hi, I'm Shinji, and I just flat out proved how out of touch with UFS I am because I just totally flubbed a ruling that's more than a year old.

By the way, momentum is in fact an in play zone hurrdurr more shinji idiocy.

i'm done feeding the troll. lrn2ufs, tard.

Don't really care much for this disscusion, but why no michigan regional in which gill topped and won

ARMed_PIrate said:

THIS. Seriously, THIS. Publish that, pre and post-diversity!

There is also data missing from people who are sandbagging. How many people are running a second tier water character to side into chun-li?

tannerface said:

If you can give me the top 8 then I'll update my list.

And Tag, your immaturity is exactly why you made a horrible and corrupt mod then, and why you will never become a moderator ever again.

Baranor said:

Or Air.

Baranor said:

...I think the point is clear: Chun-Li is ran. A lot.

Sometimes, people assume you are playing a sandbag for Chun-Li when you really aren't. That makes me sad.

Homme Chapeau said:

do it have a thing in common with the fact you played air remy?

Homme Chapeau said:

I have every intention of asking any player who I play at Can-Nats that starts an air character what 3 cards are in their sideboard besides 1x Chun-Li and 4x Hyoko-Sens.

quarzark said:

I will kill you with bear hands.

Homme Chapeau said:

For every answer you get, I'm giving you a Promo Rikuo quarzark.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Horrible and corrupt?

You ARE aware that I used my mod abilities

1. in Q&A

2. when I was told by many people how pissed they were about all the whining bitching moaning and crying about banning cards, so I spoke to FFG and got the go-ahead to lock/squelch ban discussions

Anything you think I did as a mod, I probably didn't do. Your calling me horrible and corrupt further proves how little you're really aware of what's going on around you.

edit: and FYI the only reason I'm being a **** right now is because I'm voicing what I know several people here want to voice, because I don't feel any need whatsoever to sound nice or civil right now, doubly so because it seems we aren't going to get our mod positions back on this board any time soon, if ever.

I could get all Brooklyn Rage up on these boards if you really wanna scare em, Tag. =)

Tagrineth said:

Oh lawl.

Tagrineth said:

You seriously are the most immature person I've ever seen on a forum.... And I play WoW. My god man, grow up.

Anyways steering the topic back on course... A prime example of an OMGWTFBROKESAUCE ability with a fair cost was Promo Charlie back in the day.

R: Commit and discard a momentum (a fair cost). After your opponant plays a non attack card, they must discard a momentum or else it is discarded and negated.

THAT ladies and gentlemen, is an example of a perfectly balanced ability. It required commiting the character (in a format where Overwhelming Strength was in EVERY deck that could run it) and discarding of a momentum (which short of Power Up and Hop, was hard to come by till Whereabouts came out). He also had balanced stats (remember those?)

No free R: Edit the top of my deck or R: Commit my toon to kill someone on their turn.

B-Rad said:

by the way, you still haven't responded to that one big post I made countering one of yours.

and um... tbh i'm just point blank completely dry on patience for these "discussions". but honestly, if you think that's the most immature thing you've ever seen on a forum, you need to read more forums. try gamefaqs, the average iq there barely breaks 10.

B-Rad said:

you're using promo charlie as an example of a "brokesauce ability"? i'll admit i piloted a pretty killer promo charlie deck to a local win once when we were battling for Friends and Rivals foils, so people weren't exactly screwing around... but honestly, momentum hard to come by? air was tops at earning momentum at the time. you seem to be forgetting just how awesome Hop + Power Up was for a long time, not to mention when OAM came out.

either way though, charlie was hardly brokesauce considering the opponent could just discard 1 of their momentum and make him a nearly blank character.

I really don't see why there is any complaining being done...The amount of different characters on that list makes me very happy. We have a much better meta than most games out there.

the UFS forums are pretty tame actually... like, what's the worst that's happened, EscargaGuy or whatever? It's not like people talking out of their butt isn't an everyday occurance for American's anyway...

to give my own opinion on this topic, since I haven't bothered posting in it until now, a character becomes "too good" when their stats are amazing and/or they hurt your opponent for doing something that's just basics OR is ridiculously easy to pull off for a ridiculous effect.

I mean, whose banned? Cassandra-2, Zas-3, Hugo-3, Ibuki-2, and Talbain-3? all of them fit the bill. Chun-Li is annoying, and a properly built deck run by a good player is incredible. She's not nearly on the level of unbeatableness that Talbain-3 and Cass-2, nor the sheer overwhelming NPE that Hugo and Ibuki were. 20 vitality is a nice easy number to crush to death, and trying to play a spike on my turn can sometimes turn into an advantage. I'll be honest, she's nothing special without Ira-Spinta. What's all this complaining about Spike? Ira-Spinta + any form of recursion is far more broken and NPE then Spike could ever dream to be.

after all that, since I know this is a thread that's basically all about Chun-Li and if she should be banned or not, no matter what discussion has gone on all the pages before this, I would say sure, go ahead. In a sense, Chun-Li is in a similar situation to Ibuki-2 where every character run on her symbols is not nearly as good as her, and any deck run on those symbols that isn't totally reliant on a character or something janky (Alex-4, Alba-3 or something similar). Anything they can do, she can do better and faster. Personally, I rather see Spinta gone over her and Feline Spike both.

The only problem i have with olcadan's (besides it being overlypowerful) is that it is unaccessible to even people with money. My playgroup of 6 doesnt even have a playset combined. I would love to see it go only because of the unacessability. Recently, Olcadans has actually helped me improve my deck building abilities, not only by watching what people blow up and add to my staging area (to see what could be taken out of my deck) and trying new different cards. As for Spike and any multiple i always pack some sort of multiple "negation" whether i be flight or flight, healer, etc. But then again I'm not the best player around nor have I attended any large tourneys of any kind (First one will be this friday)

quarzark said:

I dont think this is 100% true. I've yet to see her played on void, and I would much rather front akuma or Mence on Void because of thier character only support or character abilities. For air and water i cant speak to well, but I cant see how she can really just be swapped in for some characters, like momentum felica and her unique ability set. Undenyably she is better than alot of characters on respective symbols, but i dont think all, and honestly there typically is one or 2 characters per symbol who always shine. Its just the way the game plays out.

Protoaddict said:

Really? I disagree. I think that, if a symbol has a variety of different characters, then they should all uniquely stand out. For example, Earth Gen is different than Earth Yi Shan is different than Kyoshiro is different than Astaroth.

Im not saying what It should be, im just saying what it is typically.

With taht being said i have to say that jsut because a character is more popular than another does not mean that this game does not have a wealth of decks to build that are tourney caliber.

The symbols are not balanced. We all know this. There are 12 of them. That's a lot. Magic has 5 colors and they have trouble balancing them.

The characters are not balanced. We all know this. Theres 170+ of them. That's a lot.

Having said that a Fire akuma deck is different from an evil akuma deck and they are both competitive.

Water chun li is different from air chun li and they are both competitive.

I would go as far as saying even though the the symbols and characters at the top of the pile right now may be too limited in reach for some people, there are more decktypes on the list than most any other CCG. The last time i played a major event for magic i think the top 64 consisted of 3 seck types. I've heard tell of YGO tournies where the top X were literally all the same deck with a variation in cards of less than 10% of the deck. I would say that were in pretty good shape all things relative.

Protoaddict said:

When you're right you're right

Well whatever, I'm just hoping not only do lower handsize characters get better abilities, but that free or otherwise low cost (AKA costless IMO) abilities be monitored heavily, and really we need to bring effects like Scarlet Thunder and Constant Training back to this game.