Agreed, depending on who I am facing off against and what they have, generally, I take move last. I like having the choice though...

Echo + Decoy and Vader + VI, echo then shoots at ps 11.... but moves at ps 6. Go go intelligence agent

My question is has anyone even tried the generic phantoms? Everyone is running whisper/echo with VI and advanced cloaking but I've seen no one running normal phantoms. I've had good

Success with the following;

Shadow squadron + particle accelerator + FCS + intel agent

Shadow squadron + particle accelerator + FCS + intel agent

Academy pilot

Academy pilot

Academy pilot

Ok slightly more intelligent flying is required than playing ACD but the ship still works fine. Intel agent goes hand in hand with the phantom as 1) there are so many options in movement after setting your dial and 2) knowing where the higher ps guys are going to be let's you know if you need to cloak or not before they've been. People become so obsessed with chasing down the phantoms in this list the academies can really go to town, plus movement blocking lets you set up the phantom ambushes. It's worked great for me.

I've ran an alternative list featuring Yorr with ion cannon, rebel captive and tactician to some success too, but it doesn't have the options the 3 x academy list does. Obviously falcons are a problem, but playing ps 5 and below a lot of points spent on high ps is wasted by your opponent.

Anyone else had joy with the generic phantoms?

Echo + Decoy and Vader + VI, echo then shoots at ps 11.... but moves at ps 6. Go go intelligence agent

Building on that idea:

Echo + decoy

Vader + squad leader

It's a brain twisting notion because of the shifting PS from one to the other, but I think it works!

It works... It's awesome.

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It's great but a touch too techy.

Echo + IV + advanced cloak

Shuttle + Vader

Mauler Mithel

Academy TIE x2

Its a balanced list that does well against all types of lists. Maulers mini swarm and the shuttle really help against falcon lists. And echo is good vs basically everything else.

I've been trying to shave off another point somehow so I can fit the shuttle with double Tactician. That double stress is the missing piece of this list IMO. It helps cover the weakness vs falcons and phantom/squints.

Echo has higher overall potential but is much harder to master then Whisper.

Whisper is more forgiving so he gets played more in tournaments. That's how I see it anyway.

Here are a few Echo lists I play:

Echo+VI+ACD+FCS

BH

Delta

Echo+VI+ACD+FCS

BH

Doomshuttle

(5 points for Gunner, Recon Specialist, Rebel Captive, Tactician, or Navigator on Echo or BH)

Both worked pretty well and took on quite a few Falcon lists. I think having the BH and Doomshuttle/Delta going up against the Falcons is what saves Echo from dying too fast.