Delta and Eta Jedi starfighters.... would any be left after the purge? no surviving Jedi would fly in an easily spotted Jedi ship, so who would try and keep them running?

Didn't Vader still use his ETA-2 after the birth of the Empire?

Delta and Eta Jedi starfighters.... would any be left after the purge? no surviving Jedi would fly in an easily spotted Jedi ship, so who would try and keep them running?

Didn't Vader still use his ETA-2 after the birth of the Empire?

Only briefly before its destruction.

The biggest issue with prequel ships is just where to put them? which faction gets what?

Scum and Villiany! I still want to see an ARC-170 in this game. Both sides used them during the rebellion, so they are still a current ship that fits in the time frame. I think all of the torrents were phased out of service by the time of the rebellion although they could still end up with S&V.

THIS.

The biggest issue with prequel ships is just where to put them? which faction gets what?

Scum and Villiany! I still want to see an ARC-170 in this game. Both sides used them during the rebellion, so they are still a current ship that fits in the time frame. I think all of the torrents were phased out of service by the time of the rebellion although they could still end up with S&V.

It would seem any ship, whether also Prequel or not, that was prevalent in the Galactic Civil War is a likely consideration for the X-Wing product line. The question, since Disney is rewriting the EU, is what Prequel ships, if any, will make it into that era. I think we'll have to wait to wait to find out from Episodes VII-IX and spin-offs.

Firstly, the dilemma of where to put what ship is hardly even noteworthy as a speed bump on the road map of game development and design. As the designers of a game, you define the boundaries. When they no longer suit your needs for design space, simply adjust the parameters of your boundaries within reason. For a short while when things were starting to look stagnant in Magic:TG they considered adding a sixth color, purple, attached to as I recall it Basic Land type "Cave". Wisely they never did, but there wasn't any need to. The games existing parameters accounted for enough color combinations as it was. They ended up messing with other parts of the design space that was already in service and still moved the boundaries out to two new card types entirely; Equipment and Planeswalkers, and into in text mechanics like Untap(for effect) and more recently Devotion. That was just before I quit after fifteen years of that stupid game and got into X-wing!

They added one faction already and Battlefront 2 gives us the cross section to identify the next two factions if they decide to go the prequel route. Rebels and Empire are already set. Scum and Villainy is not era specific in any way. You create a Republic Faction and a Separatists Faction and your golden. If they want to go Forward as the OP suggests, they may eventually have to make a new faction for the New Republic anyway...technically only if it actually forms in the new sequel trilogy.

To answer your question though there are comic book references to V-wings and ARC-170's being in Imperial service and surviving all the way to Imperial Remnant service as I remember it. Though both models were acquired by Rebel forces for use as well. V-19 torrent probably got scooped up on black markets as it went through transitions. And entire Droid Armies were found cached on worlds waiting for someone to come by and activate them. Probably included their fighter craft too. And vultures were small but they were still 11 feet long. That's plenty to do them one model to a stand.

Sounds like we have at least 4 different era definitions for a ~20 year or so period. Sounds like some people are carving things up to meet thier preferences...I would argue that those mitt be the ones in denial here.

Dude, the only one carving things up to meet their preferences here is you. The rest of us understand what is meant: Rebels in; prequels out.

I'm sure that annoys you, because you want the prequels in. I sympathize, though I don't share your conclusions. Well, enjoy your Z-95, because that's from The Clone Wars, but it's also a starfighter that was very prevalent in the Rebellion era. I'm sure you could fathom that other ships made it to the Rebellion era too (the Y-Wing minus its external plating), but I think you're grasping at straws for most of it.

I couldn't care much about Rebels at all. but the ARC is a **** cool ship. Disappointed. And the red and yellow Jedi starfighters would look so nice. Why's everything gotta be grey and brown and industrial?

We're past the product-oriented, post-WWII industrial age anyway. (Not that American products ended up being that good for that long as we now know.)

You create a Republic Faction and a Separatists Faction and your golden. If they want to go Forward as the OP suggests, they may eventually have to make a new faction for the New Republic anyway...technically only if it actually forms in the sequel trilogy.

I assume you're being hypothetical since Mr. Peterson was pretty clear about being exclusively Galactic Civil War era and forward, but for the sake of argument it seems awfully silly for a Republic faction to fight the Rebel faction or Separists Faction to square off against the Imperials. It's like the Ottoman Empire of WWI against the Soviet Union of WWII. Jumps the shark for what? Because some fans really wanted to see the Queen Amadala parade ship take on the Empire? Nah, I think FFG got this one right, as usual.

Why does everyone immediately jump to N1s.

Why does everyone immediately jump to N1s.

Because they're the Jar Jar Binks of spaceships? (That Victory-class in the other thread notwithstanding.)

Why does everyone immediately jump to N1s.

Because they're the Jar Jar Binks of spaceships? (That Victory-class in the other thread notwithstanding.)

I really don't get that. You think the N-1 is worse than the flying AT-ST head and the Space Vibrator ? The N-1 actually looks like something that might be functional.

At first, wasn't at all impressed with the look of the main ship from Rebels. Then I saw it in LEGO form, and now I want one for the game. I could care less what gets released though, as long as any new factions other than upcoming third are a LONG way off if ever.

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BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA I have never seen this before, wow sometimes artists don't get the best reference material to work from hahaha

Edit: Nevermind.

Why does everyone immediately jump to N1s.

Because they're the Jar Jar Binks of spaceships? (That Victory-class in the other thread notwithstanding.)

I really don't get that. You think the N-1 is worse than the flying AT-ST head and the Space Vibrator ? The N-1 actually looks like something that might be functional.

Well, those two aren't from the Jar Jar Binks movie, are they?

You create a Republic Faction and a Separatists Faction and your golden. If they want to go Forward as the OP suggests, they may eventually have to make a new faction for the New Republic anyway...technically only if it actually forms in the sequel trilogy.

I assume you're being hypothetical since Mr. Peterson was pretty clear about being exclusively Galactic Civil War era and forward, but for the sake of argument it seems awfully silly for a Republic faction to fight the Rebel faction or Separists Faction to square off against the Imperials. It's like the Ottoman Empire of WWI against the Soviet Union of WWII. Jumps the shark for what? Because some fans really wanted to see the Queen Amadala parade ship take on the Empire? Nah, I think FFG got this one right, as usual.

While Rebel versus Republic is a bit off, so is Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire. So I'm calling that point moot. As for Imperial versus Republic see

Another more stark example. note the twenty year after time stamp. Clones vs Stormtroopers

I took it at face value.

At face value it means a couple things.

1) They do in fact have the right to use prequel stuff if they so chose. But they don't plan on it.

2) They will use any ship that they like and will fit in the game from the Civil War era and forward.

He also says this "and we're going to throw in some new content with the new cartoon set in that era." so they're going to do something that ties into the Rebels cartoon. It also says that Rebels is part of that era.

I took it at face value.

At face value it means a couple things.1) They do in fact have the right to use prequel stuff if they so chose.

Where does he say that? Rebels isn't Prequel.

You create a Republic Faction and a Separatists Faction and your golden. If they want to go Forward as the OP suggests, they may eventually have to make a new faction for the New Republic anyway...technically only if it actually forms in the sequel trilogy.

I assume you're being hypothetical since Mr. Peterson was pretty clear about being exclusively Galactic Civil War era and forward, but for the sake of argument it seems awfully silly for a Republic faction to fight the Rebel faction or Separists Faction to square off against the Imperials. It's like the Ottoman Empire of WWI against the Soviet Union of WWII. Jumps the shark for what? Because some fans really wanted to see the Queen Amadala parade ship take on the Empire? Nah, I think FFG got this one right, as usual.

While Rebel versus Republic is a bit off, so is Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire. So I'm calling that point moot. As for Imperial versus Republic see

For Separatists versus Empire see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J18zXXT5bv8 . But yes this is hypothetical. But my view is this should eventually happen. perhaps not for at least another year or two while S&V solidifies itself in the collection and meta, but eventually.

Another more stark example. note the twenty year after time stamp. Clones vs Stormtroopers

Oh please don't use Battlefront II's story as an argument. It is SO flawed and full of errors.

Where does he say that?

At this point... "but with that said, vehicles, characters, storylines, etc that came out of that, those cartoons are part of Star Wars IP [intellectual Property license] in general"

That means that they do have the rights to create ships for X-Wing from anything in the Star Wars IP. Even though they chose not to use those ships, they have the rights to do so.

Rebels isn't Prequel.

You're right it's not. Which is what I was saying, that Rebels was part of the Civil War Era.

Star Wars Rebels is set 14 years after Episode III, 5 years before Episode IV. It would take some awesome starfighter to cause FFG to take a hard look at incorporating anything that early, says the CEO of FFG.

Technically the z-95 was from this era.

Star Wars Rebels is set 14 years after Episode III, 5 years before Episode IV. It would take some awesome starfighter to cause FFG to take a hard look at incorporating anything that early, says the CEO of FFG.

Technically the z-95 was from this era.

So is the Y-Wing.

But we don't see the clone wars era versions of either in the rebellion era fluff. The ARC-170 that everyone seems to want was also not really seen in the rebellion era fluff either.

OK, I just want to take a minute and clarify the thread's general direction.

The OP created a thread about "prequel ships" and posted a quote from Christian Peterson in which Christian basically said

FFG have the rights to use all of SW

They aren't really planning on using any prequel/Clone Wars ships unless they are really super cool designs

They want to stick with civil war era and beyond

They are definitely going to do something with SW:Rebels

The OP then said

Star Wars Rebels is set 14 years after Episode III, 5 years before Episode IV. It would take some awesome starfighter to cause FFG to take a hard look at incorporating anything that early, says the CEO of FFG.

Which implies that he believes Rebels is prequel era and that they have no plans to use ships from Rebels in the game.

I don't know if that is what zomad intended to imply, but that is what most people have been arguing against for 4 pages now because it contradicts what Christian actually said.

To clarify MY position, Christian's quote seems to say

They won't be doing CW era ships

Rebels isn't CW era, it is Civil War era

They are doing Rebels ships

They have no shortage of material they think is cool to put in the game.

Rakky Wistol, tell me what you think about this statement from the FFG CEO:

"More generally we're looking at the sort of game as it is, the Galactic Civil War going way forward..."

What does that mean to you?

That means you are good at finding a chunk of text from a "sloppy" translation received 3rd hand here on this forum that leaves out:

FFG having the property rights to "prequel era" material

FFG being sticklers for realistic non-cartoony ships (thank goodness)

FFG being open to all ships that are "awesome" and fit current design

FFG CEO "generally" prefers OT era and forward ships but expresses nowhere that Prequel ships are absolutely out.

And of course, it all depends on what the definition of is is.

That's a long walk, my friend. I took it at face value.

A long walk... TO AWESOME!

Now if only my "long walk" could be condensed down... I don't know, maybe into the space of 2 whole paragraphs... oh, it was? Splendid. You took one specific phrase that you transcribed and highlighted that fit your own opinion at face value. If someone were so inclided to ignore every other part of your transription that didn't fit with thier point of view you could end up with

"We're...integrating...Clone Wars... vehicles and characters."

Take that at face value and see what you come up with.

Sounds like we have at least 4 different era definitions for a ~20 year or so period. Sounds like some people are carving things up to meet thier preferences...I would argue that those mitt be the ones in denial here.

Dude, the only one carving things up to meet their preferences here is you. The rest of us understand what is meant: Rebels in; prequels out.

I'm sure that annoys you, because you want the prequels in. I sympathize, though I don't share your conclusions. Well, enjoy your Z-95, because that's from The Clone Wars, but it's also a starfighter that was very prevalent in the Rebellion era. I'm sure you could fathom that other ships made it to the Rebellion era too (the Y-Wing minus its external plating), but I think you're grasping at straws for most of it.

I didn't invent "prequel era", "pre-OT era", "Rebels era" and put it beside "Galaxtic Civil War era".

But ya... other than that, you totally got me... you know me oh so well...oh wait, no you don't.

Did you even think out your argument before you posted... you just repeated the fact that I provided earlier (FFG already makes Pre Galactic Civil war ships and many of those ships are still in use) as a reason that I am "grasping at straws"...

Dude, I'm sure you have some amazing preconceived notions of me, but next time, dude, ya dude, turn your head away from me before you word vomit in my general direction dude.

The OP then said

Star Wars Rebels is set 14 years after Episode III, 5 years before Episode IV. It would take some awesome starfighter to cause FFG to take a hard look at incorporating anything that early, says the CEO of FFG.

Which implies that he believes Rebels is prequel era and that they have no plans to use ships from Rebels in the game.

I don't know if that is what zomad intended to imply, but that is what most people have been arguing against for 4 pages now because it contradicts what Christian actually said.

To clarify MY position, Christian's quote seems to say

They won't be doing CW era ships

Rebels isn't CW era, it is Civil War era

They are doing Rebels ships

They have no shortage of material they think is cool to put in the game.

I now believe you're correct, and that FFG will probably release at least something from Rebels.

I will still hold on to the hope that they release at least SOME prequel/clone war ships.

I still think if they are considering sequel ships then they should really have to include prequel ships as well, but that's my opinion.