Regarding the core books, supplements and the miniature games.

Most of the fluff is Legends, but the game itself can follow the new canon if you want it to. After all, you're the GM.

Was there anything official regarding that answer? I asumed the same, but I'm curious. If FFG got the rights to make canon stuff it would be a good sign for the future of star wars. I think.

Even tough I think the Tie Defender is disgusting and looks like a mutated halfway fledged Tie fighter and I would prefer not to see one in the new movies and being banned into legends thats just my opinion.

Anything FFG uses has been scrutinized by the canon cops at Mouse HQ. I suspect they are fine with names and things from Legends being used, it's when you get into story that there will be limitations and amendments.

Technically a fair amount of it is legends, but it's also not horribly legendy. One of the things to remember is that the legends blanket was thrown over the EU to allow the new movies to be... well... new. The EU had clung to the corpse of the Skywalkers like facehugger on a redshirt, accounting for decades and decades after the films, so dumping those tales was really the only way to provide enough freedom to operate to make a new movie that wasn't ridiculous or had an hour long scroll to fill in any audience members that haven't read every crappy novel to come out since 1991.

The good news is two things:

1) The new writers are allowed and encouraged to mine the old material. So the EU canon is currently largely Schrodinger's canon, it's up in the air until proven or disproved by a canon source. So if no one ever goes to the Correlian Sector, then by extension Suns of Fortune will continue to be mostly valid, or at the very least, not invalid.

2) A lot of the rough fluff was actually pulled from the old WEG RPG materials, which, just like FFG stuff today, were written specifically to be stuff that was always "just off camera" so as not to directly impact any key story points in the films. So as a result as new writers mine the old material for ideas it's entirely possible you'll see it again. While major characters and stories are probably gone (I wouldn't have your players run around with Jacen Solo if canon is a big deal for you), individual gear, locations, ships, and so forth are still likely to return. (In Rebels we've already seen the return of the Inquisitors and the ISB.)

FFG has gone hogwild into the Legends territory on several of their products. Lets just talk about ships alone in both the RPG and the Miniatures game. NONE of these are technically canon anymore (TIE Defender, HWK-290, etc). Right now as it stands nothing not in movies, Clone Wars and the upcoming book are canon (and those will only last another 20 years when they throw out those for some new ideas also).

But the bottom line is who cares. Look at Spiderman video games... Spiderman Noir, 2099, etc. Just because it is "Legends" does not mean they cannot use it. More toys to play with.

Really? I thought the whole idea of Legends was that anything previously published was non longer canon (i.e.: it's Legends), but anything published from the announcement (and rubberstamped by the "canon committee", which it all is after the announcement) is considered to be the new canon?

Edit: here is the announcement http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

It certainly makes it sound like everything is now canon and only the old EU is Legends - backed up by the fact that none of the FFG books have the Legends logo, do they?

Edit: here is the announcement http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

It certainly makes it sound like everything is now canon and only the old EU is Legends - backed up by the fact that none of the FFG books have the Legends logo, do they?

From reading that announcement, it seems that it is only talking about new novels, not new reference books or games.

"On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. "

I doubt the Lego Star Wars kids books are considered canon.

Well, it does say "include novels", implying that it's not just the novels that are considered canon. What other new books (other than Del Rey novels and FFG game books) have been released that this might refer to?

There is also this (my emphasis):

Which goes back to what I was saying. The legends canon wipe wasn't about content, it was about story. Its hard to just make a film set 30 years after Jedi and still have it jive with all the books. I mean that would put you where? Somewhere between Vong reconstruction and dark nest? Force help you...

On the other end is raw content, which has largely deconflicted itself from the get go. You can whine that a HWK-290 is no longer canon because its not specifically featured in a canon source, but in a galaxy filled with millions of different ship models, who cares? Its like saying because Neo never cruised around on camera in a 1970 Willy's jeep, 1970 Willy's jeeps don't exist in the matrix....

As an example of FFG sticking to Legends, look at the Stormtrooper Corps being distinct from the Imperial Army (as described in the Edge Core Rulebook). That's a decidedly Legends take on it. And then there's the incorporation of the Force U leashed storyline into the hx of the Rebel Alliance as seen the Age of Rebellion Core Rulebook.

But the bottom line is who cares.

Angels dancing on the head of a pin.

It's your game. Reclaim it.

I don't really care for Canon when including things in my table (i already had a cameo of Baron Fel... That no one noticed, for my great sadness)

My question was simple curiosity. I was reading about the SW story group and wondered where FFG licensee stood in that matter. Later i realized that some products are older then the approval board so it is obviously legends.

Thanks for the answers anyway!

Mainly Legends, but seems that they only use it to fill Canon blankets. They don't contradict Canon.

There isn't enough Canon material to roleplay

Really? I thought the whole idea of Legends was that anything previously published was non longer canon (i.e.: it's Legends), but anything published from the announcement (and rubberstamped by the "canon committee", which it all is after the announcement) is considered to be the new canon?

Edit: here is the announcement http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

It certainly makes it sound like everything is now canon and only the old EU is Legends - backed up by the fact that none of the FFG books have the Legends logo, do they?

I could be wrong because they are being a bit cryptic on what is or is not "Legends" (currently on purpose I am sure), but I think you might be misinterpreting what is or is not Legends. They have been pretty clear that we should consider anything is out until further notice.

I have a feeling currently they are marking things with the Banner that DIRECTLY break current canon. For example the Thrawn trilogy was already in a quasi-canon due to the Clone Wars being described as completely different in the books. This was an easy one to kind of wrap your head around and just say "Well, this actually happened a bit different." I think with the new movies, there will be a whole mess (perhaps ALL) of the books post RotJ that will gain this banner.

As for the the game, there is already a ton of stuff in it (as well as miniatures game) that is not canon. I do not think a game needs to have "Legends" plastered along the top. As I said, it is your game. If you do not want to use the EU stuff, just drop it.

I have a feeling currently they are marking things with the Banner that DIRECTLY break current canon. For example the Thrawn trilogy was already in a quasi-canon due to the Clone Wars being described as completely different in the books. This was an easy one to kind of wrap your head around and just say "Well, this actually happened a bit different." I think with the new movies, there will be a whole mess (perhaps ALL) of the books post RotJ that will gain this banner.

I think they've said outright that everything post-Jedi is utterly non-canon, and everything else is non-canon until proven otherwise.

The RPG is just a tool for playing a game set in the universe. It can be as canon or non-canon as you like, but the book seems to encourage the use of a lot of Legends material in lieu of more official information from Disney. If significant changes are ever revealed in the fluff, it's almost impossible that such changes would affect the mechanics of the game itself.

As I've said in other threads, because of the license FFG probably has a pretty good idea of what definitively isn't canon, even if they can't say what will remain canon or not. Disney likely gave them the go-ahead to use Legends material for the books, or else Disney would have had to come up with a ton of background information on their own and supply it to FFG.

I think they've said outright that everything post-Jedi is utterly non-canon, and everything else is non-canon until proven otherwise.

I'm not looking to pick a fight here, I'm genuinely curious - have either of you got link/source for that? I'd be keen to see where/why Disney changed their minds, because it seems to directly contradict the article I posted above from the official SW site.

Honestly beyond the movies, TCW, and the new novels set to come out they are still trying to figure out what is canon and what is only legends according to Jennifer Heddle. Things like the FFG RPG, SWTOR, and other like KOTOR have had items mentioned in TCW. Not to mention they already confirmed that some content like the ISB are in Rebels. So there is a chance that a large part will become canon again. Maybe not in the orginial way we knew it.

Fair enough, and I guess that makes sense. There is so much "stuff" produced for SW these days that it'd be difficult to stay on top of it all.

I think they've said outright that everything post-Jedi is utterly non-canon, and everything else is non-canon until proven otherwise.

I'm not looking to pick a fight here, I'm genuinely curious - have either of you got link/source for that? I'd be keen to see where/why Disney changed their minds, because it seems to directly contradict the article I posted above from the official SW site.

The Wikipedia entry for the Star Wars canon makes mention of it. I draw your attention to the specific wording: "future content will present a different vision of people, places, and events after Return of the Jedi."

It's sourced to this article on the official site, where they again point out that the new films "will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe."

Worth noting is the fact that, in both cases, the post-Jedi EU was singled out for deletion, while everything else is left very vague. I don't doubt we'll see some aspects of it salvaged later, maybe even given a nod in Episodes VII through IX. (I for one would be shocked if Thrawn didn't get a cameo or a mention, if only for his singular impact on the EU.) But there's enough wiggle room with everything else, from The Old Republic to Shadows of the Empire that they may yet be canon still.

Worth noting is the fact that, in both cases, the post-Jedi EU was singled out for deletion, while everything else is left very vague. I don't doubt we'll see some aspects of it salvaged later, maybe even given a nod in Episodes VII through IX. (I for one would be shocked if Thrawn didn't get a cameo or a mention, if only for his singular impact on the EU.) But there's enough wiggle room with everything else, from The Old Republic to Shadows of the Empire that they may yet be canon still.

Yeah, interesting, thanks.

As mentioned before most of the things FFG has drawn from Legends is stuff like ship, vehicle and weapon models planet descriptions, and species. Unless the new canon has a part that specifically lists every planet, ship and vehicle model, or species in the Star Wars galaxy they should be fine. Note that they have also altered material from legends. For example in Legends the Lancer class Frigate was developed in response to the Battle of Yavin but FFG states it was first deployed at the end of the Clone Wars. I'm curious about if this has some meaning regarding the new canon or is just a change they felt like making.

I doubt the Starkiller founding the Alliance part will stand in the new canon but I could be wrong.

In the case of the Lancer-class it could have also been a deliberate scrubbing of "incidental" lore -- in the Legends lore it was actually the Tartan-class "patrol cruiser" that debuted very early in the Empire's history, but with an almost identical armament and mission profile, I can see FFG trying to streamline the roster since there'd be little if any meaningful difference in their stats due to how abstract (and small-numbers-leaning) the starship combat rules are, potentially making the Tartan-class superfluous.

Maybe though they haven't seemed to have a problem with including fighters with virtually identical armerments and roles in the past so I don't see why they would have a problem including both the Lancer and the Tartan especially given the vast differences in areas like speed, crew size, and defense between the two.

Edit: Also based on the damage output in SAGA the Tartans use Heavy Lasers rather then quadlasers. In FFG this would give them a range advantage to help compensate for the weaker shields. Though the Tartans would have a higher HT threshold then the Lancer I believe.

Re-reading the information on EotE and AoE is a bit jarring. They still call Coruscant for Imperial Center, the events of The Force Unleashed is described on Rebellion background, etc. It wasn't until F&D, when Disney Canon took over, that things got a bit coherent. I kinda wish to get reprints of the older books (with errata and corrections in it as well).