Dauntless Title - Always triggers?

By Hida77, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Comparing Dauntless to R7-T1 looks more difficult than comparing Dauntless to Push the Limit because one is a trigger and the other is an action. It's easier to see that Dauntless and Push the Limit are both triggers and are templated similarly.

One being a trigger and one being an action has nothing at all to do with how you read the effect of the ability. You keep claiming that, yet have provided absolutely nothing to support that it makes any difference. Can you provide even a single example where the same wording has a different effect if it's an action vs. a triggered effect?

Yes, Dauntless is closer to PtL... but the whole point is that the R7-T1 ruling, if taken as precedent, would have implications for Push the Limit as well. Which is why a number of people were surprised by the ruling, and why I said above that it shouldn't be taken as precedent.

But they really are the same text for effect. If you'd like to actually try and support your assertions, rather than simply claiming them again, I'd be all for discussing where you got the idea that the origin matters. Because, again, you have said repeatedly that it does, yet haven't even bothered to support that assertion. If it matters there should be some rule that says it does, or some ruling that demonstrates that it does. But what we have is exactly the opposite. You don't acquire a target lock any differently from the action than you do from Dutch. If you get a free action, it's not handled any differently if it comes from Lando (trigger) or Squad Leader (Action).

You keep claiming these distinctions as something that matters, but there is ample evidence that they don't, and you've provided none that they do.

One being a trigger and one being an action has nothing at all to do with how you read the effect of the ability. You keep claiming that, yet have provided absolutely nothing to support that it makes any difference.

Once more: The thread's title is about Dauntless. Dauntless has been templated almost exactly the same as Push the Limit. Therefore, it should be expected that Dauntless operates very similarly to Push the Limit.

Again, you misunderstand what you think that I am claiming. The better card to compare Dauntless to is Push the Limit, not R7-T1.

I've danced around plenty of forum threads on the internet over many, many years. I know when I'm going in circles and I know when to stop. You're more than welcome to continue asking me to prove something that I never stated.

The thread's question has been sufficiently answered.

I know when I'm going in circles and I know when to stop. You're more than welcome to continue asking me to prove something that I never stated.

I'm well aware of what you've stated. I've asked you to explain why what you're stating matters. You might as well say Dauntless has a letter count closer to Push the Limit than R7-T1, so obviously Push the Limit is the better choice to compare it to. It would have just as much relevance as anything you've claimed.

So let me say it directly: The fact that Dauntless is closer to Push the Limit in text structure does not remove the overlap of key terms that occurs with R7-T1. Your claims that it somehow does are completely unfounded, and given that you refuse to even try and support your assertion tells me that you're pretty much making stuff up on the spot.

So yeah, we're done here.