I'm going to start using the word "figuratively" literally all the time now, just to make up for the literal destruction of the word "literally".
Pet Peeve: Pronunciation
You mean it's not Tantive 4 with a roman numberal? Why on Earth would you pronounce it Tantivy?? Tantive IV implies there is a Tantive I, Tantive II, and Tantive III, how would you pronouce those? Why would you pronounce the number alphabetically?
You mean it's not Tantive 4 with a roman numberal? Why on Earth would you pronounce it Tantivy?? Tantive IV implies there is a Tantive I, Tantive II, and Tantive III, how would you pronouce those? Why would you pronounce the number alphabetically?
He's not talking about the number, he's saying they'd all be "Tan-tiv-ee". ie Tantivee Wun, Tantivee Too, Tantivee Three, Tan-tiv-ee Forr
As an Englishman I've long ago given up getting people to use the language properly, aluminium for example is alu-min-ium not iluminum as Americans say it, also colour and honour have u`s dagnamit.
English is, and has always been, an unmanaged language, which means the 'proper' use of words is that decided on by the society. Language changes, and that isn't a bad thing. 2k years ago "decimate" meant 10% casualties. 500 years ago a "truck" was just short for "truckle" and referred to a winch/pulley thing in the back of a wagon. 200 years ago "crafty" meant someone who was good at crafts e.g. they could make interesting and clever devices or manufacture high quality items (hence the "craftiness of men" referred to the things of the world, not people being sneaky).
There are battles within language worth fighting, but the natural change of words isn't one of them. Decimate now means (for most people) heavy casualties, a truck is a motorized vehicle with a bed, and crafty means smart and sneaky.
If anything, I personally find the battle against needlessly further complicating english spelling with french and latin elements a much more important cause than resisting the natural evolution of a language. English has been ridiculously complicated by that practice. "Colonel" refers to a COLUMN, and should either be spelled as it sounds or pronounced like it's spelled! The rules are nonsensical! And often strait up anti-intuitive!
Want to know the "correct" plural of "octopus"? I'll give you a hint, it's not "octopi", because octopus isn't a latin word. It's greek. The "correct" pluralization is "octipuses" (the english plural) or "octipode" (the greek inspired plural). But that doesn't really matter, because english has accepted octopi for centuries, without regard for the correct root definitions.
Again, languages change. This isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Color is just as readable and contains just as much information as colour. Decimate can describe a massacre of more than 10% of troops. It's ok.
Tantive (as in Tantive IV) is pronounced Tan-tiv-vee .
It's taken from "Tantivy".
adverb1. at full gallop:"to ride tantivy".adjective2. swift; rapid.noun, plural tantivies.3. a gallop; rush.interjection4.(used as a hunting cry when the chase is at full speed.)
All that being said, in this case that is a very interesting bit of information I did not know. Thanks for sharing that.
Just wanting to make clear I was disagreeing with later (in my opinion erroneous) post about maintaining "proper" definitions and spellings, and not the OPs tidbit about how the name of the ships is an actual word that has a pronunciation different from how most people would read it.
Of course, that also goes back to my previous points on the over complication of the english language. Tantive sure looks like a strait forward pronunciation, but since we mix in external rules willy nilly that isn't the case.
This was in the LFL radio drama, if I remember.
Which raises the question - does anyone mention the 'Executor' by name in those shows?
If they wanted it pronounved tan-tiv-ee, they probably would have just spelled it tantivy.
This was in the LFL radio drama, if I remember.
Which raises the question - does anyone mention the 'Executor' by name in those shows?
That one has bugged me for so many years. Is it named after someone enacts the decisions of a contract or will, or is it named after someone who chops off peoples heads! AAAH! AND WHY MUST THOSE TWO WORDS BE SPELLED THE SAME!
Actually, the answer to that one is obvious. Because they are both actually the same position at their heart (someone who performs or "executes" a decision), but still, the two have drifted apart and it confuses me now!
This was in the LFL radio drama, if I remember.
Which raises the question - does anyone mention the 'Executor' by name in those shows?
That one has bugged me for so many years. Is it named after someone enacts the decisions of a contract or will, or is it named after someone who chops off peoples heads! AAAH! AND WHY MUST THOSE TWO WORDS BE SPELLED THE SAME!
Actually, the answer to that one is obvious. Because they are both actually the same position at their heart (someone who performs or "executes" a decision), but still, the two have drifted apart and it confuses me now!
It's surely ex-e-CUTE-er, rather than "ex-EK-ute-er" - sounds more menacing.
I would argue that regardless of the root of the word, Tantive is now the official pronunciation simply dued to that being the accepted pronunciation. The US college is "note-er day-mm", the city in Idaho is "l-aa-vuh" (instead of "l-ah-vug"), Woolfardisworthy is called "woo-ser-y", and Worchester is said "wooster".
Accepted pronunciate trumps word roots and spellings in most cases.
This was in the LFL radio drama, if I remember.
Which raises the question - does anyone mention the 'Executor' by name in those shows?
That one has bugged me for so many years. Is it named after someone enacts the decisions of a contract or will, or is it named after someone who chops off peoples heads! AAAH! AND WHY MUST THOSE TWO WORDS BE SPELLED THE SAME!
Actually, the answer to that one is obvious. Because they are both actually the same position at their heart (someone who performs or "executes" a decision), but still, the two have drifted apart and it confuses me now!
It's surely ex-e-CUTE-er, rather than "ex-EK-ute-er" - sounds more menacing.
That was always my take on it too. Still seem to hear the latter more than the former though.
This was in the LFL radio drama, if I remember.
Which raises the question - does anyone mention the 'Executor' by name in those shows?
That one has bugged me for so many years. Is it named after someone enacts the decisions of a contract or will, or is it named after someone who chops off peoples heads! AAAH! AND WHY MUST THOSE TWO WORDS BE SPELLED THE SAME!
Actually, the answer to that one is obvious. Because they are both actually the same position at their heart (someone who performs or "executes" a decision), but still, the two have drifted apart and it confuses me now!
The head-chopper is an executioner. Even shortened, I think an argument could be made for spelling it "executer".
Executor is pronounced \ig-ˈze-k(y)ə-tər. That's all there is to it.
my antecedent annoyance is aliteration
So if it's tan-tiv-eeeeeee then is figurative fig-urr-uh-tiv-eeeeeeee?
The head-chopper is an executioner. Even shortened, I think an argument could be made for spelling it "executer".
Executor is pronounced \ig-ˈze-k(y)ə-tər. That's all there is to it.
That's a point - if it's spelt with an o I hadn't noticed that.
It's times like this when I write a lengthy reply and my son comes along to erase it all that I question whether or not I should say what I'm about to say.
But I can't help it.
Few things bother me so much.
You can always tell the four types of people that will reply to this thread before you even think about clicking on the title.
1 - The denier. This is always the first person to respond and is known by the mating call "that's not how it was said in the moving picture" and "nobody says Leia or Han the same way". Ignore potato, tomato, crayon, caramel, mayonnaise and about 50 billion other words used on a daily basis in THIS galaxy that nobody says the same way twice. Typically this is the same person that will be old and grey and refusing to learn about cell phones or the internet.
2 - The educator. This person comes with snarky comments and talks down to EVERYONE. Links to dictionary websites ensue. Never mind that a made up story could have made up names in it. I'm pretty sure neither Korriban or Moraband is in the dictionary either. Because of this, nearly all replies are off topic as they are aimed solely at other forum members instead of the topic . This person is sometimes green.
3 - The culturalist, AKA 'how the English do'. This is where we get worldly, despite having nothing to do with the context. The great culturalist and educator war has raged on since before grumpy cat was a thing. Needless to say, this war takes place where ever the two meet and drags the thread off topic. Every. Time.
4 - The acceptist. FINALLY we get here. Three pages later of the above going back and forth and at last a reply that is both on topic and keeping with the spirit of the OP's original intention.
If it were me, I would have started the post with a source. In this case it would be the Star Wars Radio Drama. A YouTube clip that points directly to either
Leia or Captain Antilles saying "tan-ti-vee"
would have been helpful to curb at least some of group number 1.
You could even go so far as to point out that the Radio Drama is considered to be absolute canon in the same light as the films themselves, deleted scenes and novelizations of the films.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what sources you cite or what you think canon is or isn't. Threads like this will always have people who are either stuck in their ways or just flat out refuse to learn new things.
Well way back in 2000 I lived with a girl for several months in New York, one young Englishman in an African American neighbourhood I got mocked alot for how I talked in a good natured way, got a bit awkward when the cops came around and hassled people of course but being from stoke scuffles in alleys are nothing to worry me.
Didn't work out sadly but I have good memories of that time, and I never took offense when they'd try to do a British accent.
Stoke, get in. Stoke proper or Hanley or some other town in the general Stoke area?
I grew up around Uttoxeter so Hanley (fiction factory & fantasy world) were where i got my gaming models and rules.
I used to go out to chico's and the woodscutter/woodsman a lot too (rock club and biker pub) in the 90s
But yeah my neck of the woods for a while too.
Funniest thing i ever say in Hanley was a tattoist and it had those 'international clocks' above the desk, you know like 'tokyo, london, new york...
Theirs were 'Bentilee, Fenton, Hanley, Stoke, Meer (or something similar) all about two or three seconds out from each other.
You'd have to know Stoke to appreciate that being funny i guess. It's not a true 'city' its a collection of five towns.
Edited by GadgeTIE is properly pronounced T-ee-ay.
X-wing is all one word: kswing.
Palpatine is Pal-pay-tee-nee.
Boba Fett is clearly boh-bah-fet, all one word (listen to how Han [Hahn] says it).
Edited by Levi PorphyrogenitusTIE is properly pronounced T-ee-ay.
X-wing is all one word: kswing.
Palpatine is Pal-pay-tee-nee.
Boba Fett is clearly boh-bah-fet, all one word (listen to how Han [Hahn] says it).
BOHBUHFET
BOHBUHFET WHER
Well consider Shakespeare penned over 100 words that were not found in written form before.
They must have been 'street slang' in Elizabethan England but are now considered 'proper words'.
(if archaic ones)
That is what i'm trying to say.
Making 'literally' now also mean 'figuratively' (as the recent OED has it) is, in my mind, frankly crazy.
Yeah and in america, pizza is concidered a vegetable;..oh lord...
No, no, no! It's SPELLED Raymond Luxury Yacht, but it's pronounced, "Throat Warbler Mangrove!"
what the h*ll is an "aluminium falcon"?
Tantive (as in Tantive IV) is pronounced Tan-tiv-vee .
It's taken from "Tantivy".
adverb1. at full gallop:"to ride tantivy".adjective2. swift; rapid.noun, plural tantivies.3. a gallop; rush.interjection4.(used as a hunting cry when the chase is at full speed.)
If they wanted it pronounced Tantivy, they should have spelled it that way.. Tantive.. is Tan-tiv.. no y in there and by the.. can't please everyone I guess. Never knew there was a word 'tantivy' either.
By what you posted I guess there is cause to give it thought, but the english language is fraught with issues like this.. that whole tomato thing, usually it's how you learned it. The english we have created here differs slightly from Her Majesties English, I mean think of the words we use and share with yours. like was mentioned Honor and color.. a 'u' is unnecessary. Theater and theatre,,, Saber and Sabre.. ok those I prefer the British way, but hey, I'm one of those odd kids that grew up on Monty Python.. and the Goodies.. lol..
Language shall be a barrier for as long as people speak them..
Also, would like a reference to where you found that it was taken from 'tantivy' I'd very much like to read up on that.
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The Star Wars radio drama used the prononciation 'Tantivee.' Considering it was officially recognized and had portions of the movie cast including Mark Hamill and Anthony Daniels, I'll take it.
Quite an apt ship name i suppose
If its an al-in-min-yun falcon.... an 'aloo minum' once doesnt have the assonance and makes a crap pun