No actully it was written by the authers of sw vehicles, Dr. Curtis Saxton PhD in theoretical astrophysics, and Kerrie Dougherty Curator of Space Technology.

Just because the person writing it know far that is, doesn't mean ISD's can realistically fire that far and still be accurate. In fact, given the apparent speed of turbolasers you'd have zero chance of hitting anything short of a planet at that range, because they travel slower then light. Even 5 light seconds is too far away to accurately target something.

No actully it was written by the authers of sw vehicles, Dr. Curtis Saxton PhD in theoretical astrophysics, and Kerrie Dougherty Curator of Space Technology.

Just because the person writing it know far that is, doesn't mean ISD's can realistically fire that far and still be accurate. In fact, given the apparent speed of turbolasers you'd have zero chance of hitting anything short of a planet at that range, because they travel slower then light. Even 5 light seconds is too far away to accurately target something.

Besides LF approving there figures, there's nothing unrealistic about the range of he superheavy brodsides. The term "unrealistic" is used to much, and for instances that are for the moment impossible.

If you didn't red what I poted to the other poster agianst the 15 lmr I also pointed out they use the TIE Fighter fc for pinpoint, or close, hits with those weapons if the ecm can be defeated.

Also I should point out we haven't seen how fast turbo laser Laser bolts r from these boardsides. They have shown turbo laserbeams traveling hyper fast, ds models, while like ones used by the traid fed moves slow. Tbhey are very diffrent. Push comes to shove they an volly fire in all possible places the target could go, imp 1 class has thre per side, imp2 gots 32 perside.

They have shown turbo laserbeams traveling hyper fast

There's not a single turbolaser bolt that travels anywhere near the speed of light.

Push comes to shove they an volly fire in all possible places the target could go, imp 1 class has thre per side, imp2 gots 32 perside.

Do you have any concept how far something traveling only 60mph could go in 15 minutes, if they could move on a x,y, and z axis? It is completely impossible to blanket that much space.

I just hope the ISD will be pretty powerful in the game. It should be able to destory a CR90 as easily as an X-wing can blast a Tie Fighter in the X-wing game.

The OT made ISD seem kind of weak and ineffective. In the opening scene you see an ISD taking tons of shots at a CR90 without doing all that much damage. But the ISD wasn't trying to blow up the CR90. It was probably using weapons at very low power and shooting kind of around the corvette. If it wanted to, it could blow the CR90 away in seconds. In ROTJ during the battle of Endor, the Imperial fleet has something like 45 ISDs. A third of those could have monkey stomped the Rebel fleet into oblivion. It looked like they were actively engaging the Rebel fleet, but in reality the Emperor was holding them back and they were only using a mere handful of the ISDs they had available. Hell, they could have destroyed the Rebel fleet with all the fighters they had available. They could have fielded thousands.

Really all you need is one ISD to intimidate a populous into submission. One Star Destroyer can bombard the planet for weeks. A fleet can literally destroy the surface of a planet.

Hmm from Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels (the old one where it differentiates the Classes of Star Destroyer Entries)

VSDs have 10 Quad and 40 Double Turbolasers and 80 Concussion Missile Launchers

ISDs have 60 Turbolasers and 60 Ion cannons

Using those numbers it seems like an ISD can "fit" (actual model size may be a factor) into the scope of the game add a couple of extra dice here and there bump up the engineering value/shields and hull, maybe make it a little faster (note: I said faster not more maneuverable) and I could see a 125-150 ISD (probably 150 so when you buy the Commander you can't take 2)

Also if ISDs come in, who is gonna paint one red for the Errant Venture?

You guys know that the "15 parsecs" line was supposed to be a used car-salesman pitch right? Impressive space jargon used to woo the uninformed and backward moisture farmers who have never been on a spaceship before. I don't think it's worth contorting logic into pretzels to try justifying a throwaway line. This isn't Star Trek.

I'm wondering actually if the MonCal is going to be the size of that victory. MC cruisers are roughly the equal of the Star Destroyers but they are slightly smaller. Given the starter kit arrangement of small rebels versus big Empire, I wouldn't be surprised if the MCs ended up smaller.

The MC80s are actually one third longer compared to a Victory class though they re one quarter shorter compared to an Imperial. Unless the lengths get changed of course.

Just for a point of reference; the Victory class is 900m long; an average SSD is 19,000m long. If they kept even close to scale the nose of it would be in your opponent's deployment zone at the start of the game.

Starwars canon is notoriously inconsistent on the size of the ships. SSDs have been quoted as being everywhere between 2,000m (x-wing vs tie fighter) to the 19,000 you're quoting. Its hardly a length that's set in stone.

The Executor (The only one ever shown in the films) is quoted as being 8km, 12.8km and was only given the final 19km in 2004 .

The MC80s are actually one third longer compared to a Victory class though they re one quarter shorter compared to an Imperial. Unless the lengths get changed of course.

A rough estimate would be it is halfway in between a VSD and a ISD of course they aren't designed with the hitting power of an ISD but their shields let them hold more even

I think we will have a wave with MC80+ISD, I think the Rebel Assault Frigate will be the VSD "Equivalent"

Really, 15 light minutes. Thats 270 million km.thats almost 2 au, or Mar's distance from the sun. That figure is way out of proportion. 15 light seconds, that would be 4.5 million km, which is still ridiculous but not as bad. About 11 times the distance from the earth to the moon.

It sounds like that statistic was a throw away line with no thought put to it. ( or stat wars is in the discworld universe where light travels very slowly)

No actully it was written by the authers of sw vehicles, Dr. Curtis Saxton PhD in theoretical astrophysics, and Kerrie Dougherty Curator of Space Technology.

Really, 15 light minutes. Thats 270 million km.thats almost 2 au, or Mar's distance from the sun. That figure is way out of proportion. 15 light seconds, that would be 4.5 million km, which is still ridiculous but not as bad. About 11 times the distance from the earth to the moon.

It sounds like that statistic was a throw away line with no thought put to it. ( or stat wars is in the discworld universe where light travels very slowly)

Yeah not even the LOTF Long range turbolasers, which take so much energy to fire that an ISDII can't power its shields and fire four batteries of them at the same time, have been shown as having anything near a 15 Light Second range much less 15 Light Minutes. In fact all of the ship battles we see in the Star Wars films and novels that I recall take place at a range of less then 1 Light Second believe. Maybe 1 or 2 Light seconds at most but no where near 15.

Firstly they never show in the movies them firing the super heavy broadsides of star destroyers in the OT. 2nd the LOTF is a difrentweapon alltogether. 3rd. You se them fighting at closerrangers in the movies because they were ether hearding ships or containing them. I might also add that thte majority of heavy and reg turbos on a SD have a 75 mile range and do way les damage than the broadside turbos. 4th your not taking into consideration the effects of ecm that both the the rebs and imps are throwing out, in huge fights like rotj space wil be swamped with it. 4th the empire uses the TIE Fighter / rc to make the broadsides hit ships better at long range.

3: What about the space battles in the Clone Wars where both sides are trying to destroy not capture the enemy forces yet are never shown fighting at anything close to that range. And as you mentioned what you consider secondary guns have a max range of 75 miles.That means that one lS is over 2000 times the max range of the secondaries, does that huge a difference in range make any sense to you in the slightest? 2, 3, maybe even 10 times the range is possible but 2000?

Space battles would look boring if it was ships shooting at empty space.

I mean, look at Star Trek. That show actually has databooks on which the series is build, rather than the other way around. With weapon ranges going into thousands of kilometers, and even one episode in TNG where such a long-range battle happens off-screen. But every time the battles are on-screen, they happen at point-blank ranges.

Because it's a TV-show. And space battles should be cool.

Remember that its now canon that the EU is non-canon according to the current licenser holders. So if those super heavy guns never got shown or mentioned in the films, they've never been officially mentioned apart from in what now amounts to fan fiction.

They have shown turbo laserbeams traveling hyper fast

There's not a single turbolaser bolt that travels anywhere near the speed of light.

Push comes to shove they an volly fire in all possible places the target could go, imp 1 class has thre per side, imp2 gots 32 perside.

Do you have any concept how far something traveling only 60mph could go in 15 minutes, if they could move on a x,y, and z axis? It is completely impossible to blanket that much space.

You dont know what the the speeds are for every model of turbo laser laser beam in SW. I know some of the models one the empire uses are faster that 60 mph

Even IF something fire only traveled 60 mph you can still fire and hit things at the above range, no dobt it would be easyer if it was traveling faster.

Problem here though is that you think the beam only travels at 60 mph which theirs no evidence these tl models do.

3: What about the space battles in the Clone Wars where both sides are trying to destroy not capture the enemy forces yet are never shown fighting at anything close to that range. And as you mentioned what you consider secondary guns have a max range of 75 miles.That means that one lS is over 2000 times the max range of the secondaries, does that huge a difference in range make any sense to you in the slightest? 2, 3, maybe even 10 times the range is possible but 2000?

The only ships to have any guns like the ISD is the Venerator. Since every other company doesnt build TL that fire that far the Seps r going to choose to fight at ranges they can fire at.

Besides just as I posted above ECM and ECCM play a major factor in these battles. At long range with natural interferance and a strong ecm it might be nearly impossible to hit at those ranges.

I also never called they majority of weapons on the ISD secondary weapons. It makes since to me these guns are huge, possible bigger that the defense heavy turbos on the ds. The defrence besides design is power source. Turbos normalky have there own generator. These broadsides are hooked up to the ships main reactor.

For all we know the reason it is so big is because of the extra equipment that helps create a auto focusing turbo laser beam like a ring-airy laser.

Remember that its now canon that the EU is non-canon according to the current licenser holders. So if those super heavy guns never got shown or mentioned in the films, they've never been officially mentioned apart from in what now amounts to fan fiction.

Thats not what they said in the Q&A the day after and in a interview this august from one of the writers of SW Rebs and the new novels. Basically its equal canon until contradicted.

They have shown turbo laserbeams traveling hyper fast

There's not a single turbolaser bolt that travels anywhere near the speed of light.

Push comes to shove they an volly fire in all possible places the target could go, imp 1 class has thre per side, imp2 gots 32 perside.

Do you have any concept how far something traveling only 60mph could go in 15 minutes, if they could move on a x,y, and z axis? It is completely impossible to blanket that much space.

You dont know what the the speeds are for every model of turbo laser laser beam in SW. I know some of the models one the empire uses are faster that 60 mph

Even IF something fire only traveled 60 mph you can still fire and hit things at the above range, no dobt it would be easyer if it was traveling faster.

Problem here though is that you think the beam only travels at 60 mph which theirs no evidence these tl models do.

3: What about the space battles in the Clone Wars where both sides are trying to destroy not capture the enemy forces yet are never shown fighting at anything close to that range. And as you mentioned what you consider secondary guns have a max range of 75 miles.That means that one lS is over 2000 times the max range of the secondaries, does that huge a difference in range make any sense to you in the slightest? 2, 3, maybe even 10 times the range is possible but 2000?

The only ships to have any guns like the ISD is the Venerator. Since every other company doesnt build TL that fire that far the Seps r going to choose to fight at ranges they can fire at.

Besides just as I posted above ECM and ECCM play a major factor in these battles. At long range with natural interferance and a strong ecm it might be nearly impossible to hit at those ranges.

I also never called they majority of weapons on the ISD secondary weapons. It makes since to me these guns are huge, possible bigger that the defense heavy turbos on the ds. The defrence besides design is power source. Turbos normalky have there own generator. These broadsides are hooked up to the ships main reactor.

For all we know the reason it is so big is because of the extra equipment that helps create a auto focusing turbo laser beam like a ring-airy laser.

Remember that its now canon that the EU is non-canon according to the current licenser holders. So if those super heavy guns never got shown or mentioned in the films, they've never been officially mentioned apart from in what now amounts to fan fiction.

Thats not what they said in the Q&A the day after and in a interview this august from one of the writers of SW Rebs and the new novels. Basically its equal canon until contradicted.

So one company is able to manufacture turbolasers that can fire several thousand times further then that of other companies and no one else copies this process. That makes absolutely no sense. If a weapon with such a range advantage over any other turbolaser were developed any company wanting to win the Republic's and later the Empire's heavy warship contracts away from KDY would make copying the weapon or producing their own version of it a top priority, as would any shipwrights loyal to the Separatists or the Alliance.

And since we never see these broadside weapons firing on screen and nothing in the novels, comics, or video games shows them being fired at such a long range what evidence does the person who originally stated that they have such a range offer to support his claim?

So one company is able to manufacture turbolasers that can fire several thousand times further then that of other companies and no one else copies this process. That makes absolutely no sense. If a weapon with such a range advantage over any other turbolaser were developed any company wanting to win the Republic's and later the Empire's heavy warship contracts away from KDY would make copying the weapon or producing their own version of it a top priority, as would any shipwrights loyal to the Separatists or the Alliance.

And since we never see these broadside weapons firing on screen and nothing in the novels, comics, or video games shows them being fired at such a long range what evidence does the person who originally stated that they have such a range offer to support his claim?

Actully it does make sence that no other company has copied because of more than one reason. 1) Energy requirement KDY star destroyers have always had the most powerful reactors out of the diffrent companies cap ships to exist, These other companies would have to invest in more advanced reactors as well as these boardsides. 2)Legally you cant just copy and rebuild and then sell anything that is patented by another company. 3) Other long range weapons were built that can be considered alternatives to above weapons, Cap ship heavy torps and missiles, gauss weapons built into prototype SD that were built by MM. 4) Except for the ISD 2, SD that had these weapons were to a degree easy to avoid. Staying to the bow you could only be fired upon by two of these cannons(16 SD2) if your anywhere else but the starboard or port side they can be avoided. The other compaines and or Admirals of other fleets may have seen this as a design flaw that could be exploited if the rush in or jump in close to there enemies. I dont because up close the enemy now has to deal with multible batteries of heavy turbos and ions.

No evidence is required for the range of the broadsides. They got permission from LF to publish that detail into the source book. These crossection books are purposly filed with details for the ships they rep that you wont find in any other medium because of the story telling style of SW. If this were ST you would because in there stories its important alot of the time too there plots to add facts about tech.

Just for a point of reference; the Victory class is 900m long; an average SSD is 19,000m long. If they kept even close to scale the nose of it would be in your opponent's deployment zone at the start of the game.

Starwars canon is notoriously inconsistent on the size of the ships. SSDs have been quoted as being everywhere between 2,000m (x-wing vs tie fighter) to the 19,000 you're quoting. Its hardly a length that's set in stone.

The Executor (The only one ever shown in the films) is quoted as being 8km, 12.8km and was only given the final 19km in 2004 .

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/laserdisk/sw5/gathering19.jpg

See those little fighters? Those are ISDs. Now imagine that on a table, no wait a large room floor.

2)Legally you cant just copy and rebuild and then sell anything that is patented by another company.

While this is true in a normal law abiding society if you are a a company that effectively owns star systems and you are willing to wage a civil war to secede from the government I would be willing to be you have no qualms about using Republic patents for toilet paper(yes I know they don't actually print stuff out on paper but the point is fairly clear to those of us who live in a galaxy where paper is used)

Also to address 1) it would make good economic sense (and the CIS leaders aren't stupid economically, politically naive and easily manipulated maybe) to invest in upgraded power plants for your ships anyways, more power= faster engines, stronger shields, and more powerful/longer weapon ranges whether you building a fleet to protect convoys or building a war fleet

So one company is able to manufacture turbolasers that can fire several thousand times further then that of other companies and no one else copies this process. That makes absolutely no sense. If a weapon with such a range advantage over any other turbolaser were developed any company wanting to win the Republic's and later the Empire's heavy warship contracts away from KDY would make copying the weapon or producing their own version of it a top priority, as would any shipwrights loyal to the Separatists or the Alliance.

And since we never see these broadside weapons firing on screen and nothing in the novels, comics, or video games shows them being fired at such a long range what evidence does the person who originally stated that they have such a range offer to support his claim?

Actully it does make sence that no other company has copied because of more than one reason. 1) Energy requirement KDY star destroyers have always had the most powerful reactors out of the diffrent companies cap ships to exist, These other companies would have to invest in more advanced reactors as well as these boardsides. 2)Legally you cant just copy and rebuild and then sell anything that is patented by another company. 3) Other long range weapons were built that can be considered alternatives to above weapons, Cap ship heavy torps and missiles, gauss weapons built into prototype SD that were built by MM. 4) Except for the ISD 2, SD that had these weapons were to a degree easy to avoid. Staying to the bow you could only be fired upon by two of these cannons(16 SD2) if your anywhere else but the starboard or port side they can be avoided. The other compaines and or Admirals of other fleets may have seen this as a design flaw that could be exploited if the rush in or jump in close to there enemies. I dont because up close the enemy now has to deal with multible batteries of heavy turbos and ions.

No evidence is required for the range of the broadsides. They got permission from LF to publish that detail into the source book. These crossection books are purposly filed with details for the ships they rep that you wont find in any other medium because of the story telling style of SW. If this were ST you would because in there stories its important alot of the time too there plots to add facts about tech.

1: If the author based that number on evidence from the setting it is one thing. If he just made up a number with no proof it is far different,.

2: There is no evidence that Kuat Drive Yards designed vessels have more power available then another ship of the same size. If Rendili Stardrive, Corellian Engineering Corporation, or the Mon Calamari built a 1,600 meter long warship class there is absolutely no reason to believe that their designs couldn't match an Imperial-class vessel's power output. When the Essential Guide to Warfare explained why Kuat Drive Yards got most of the Grand Army of the Republic, and Imperial warship contracts nothing was mentioned about Kuat Drive Yards having more efficient power generators.

3: As someone else mentioned in times of war military equipment manufacturers from opposing sides tend to not care about copyrights and patents of their enemy counterparts. Actually I doubt they care about patents and copyrights held by military manufacturers in neutral nations, and unless the nations are every close allies most probably don't even care during peacetime. Thus if the Separatists, Alliance or both got their hands on a weapon with such a massive range advantage, either by obtaining a physical copy of the weapon system or the blueprints they would hand it over to their shipwrights instantly to duplicate. And there is no reasonable way that neither of those two groups was ever in a position to recover one of those turbos from either a Venator or Imperial, or at lest steal the blueprints. Its much more likely that both groups would have been able to do so at some point in fact if such weapons existed .

4: Industrial espionage between even allied shipwrights seems to be very common in Star Wars. We know that Kuat Drive Yards used it widely as part of their effort to weaken and eventually buy out Core Galaxy Systems. We also know that Rendili Stardrive launched a major industrial espionage effort against Kuat Drive Yards early in the Clone Wars, and possibly earlier. And we know that both Kuat Dive Yards and Republic Sienar Systems/Sienar Fleet Systems engaged in a mutal industrial espionage campaign because in the early days of the Empire many large gatherings which had representatives of both corporations present would often involve those representatives arguing over which shipwright stole what from the other.

2: There is no evidence that Kuat Drive Yards designed vessels have more power available then another ship of the same size. If Rendili Stardrive, Corellian Engineering Corporation, or the Mon Calamari built a 1,600 meter long warship class there is absolutely no reason to believe that their designs couldn't match an Imperial-class vessel's power output. When the Essential Guide to Warfare explained why Kuat Drive Yards got most of the Grand Army of the Republic, and Imperial warship contracts nothing was mentioned about Kuat Drive Yards having more efficient power generators.

My personal bias and assumptions at play here, I think all of them do have equal power output but I assume that each funnel their power into different areas. CEC probably puts their power into engines for speed. (CR-90 for example) Mon Cals seem to prefer shields, with the redundant generators they seem to install. Rendili probably invested their power into automating systems to reduce manpower (like the slave circuits on the Katana fleet). Kuat probably funnels more into weapons than the others. Star Destroyers aren't named that because it sounds so cool.

Actually the are named that because it sounds cool. Just like real military tech is today.

The idea that Star Destroyers have a range of 15 light-minutes is pretty nuts. All Star Wars battles take place at knife-fight ranges. That stat sounds like just another one in an endless line of statistics manufactured to look cool without regard for how the movies actually play out. The cross-section books are riddled with these.

As a model in Armada the ISD will probably be the biggest possible, with values like:

Hull:12

Command: 4

Squadron:6

Engineering:8

Speed: 1 (or 2)

Shields: 5,4,4,3

Front: 5 red + 4 blue

Sides: 3 red, 2 blue

Rear: 2 red, 1 blue

Anti-Squadron: 2 (yeah use ur Tie-Fighters!)

2: There is no evidence that Kuat Drive Yards designed vessels have more power available then another ship of the same size. If Rendili Stardrive, Corellian Engineering Corporation, or the Mon Calamari built a 1,600 meter long warship class there is absolutely no reason to believe that their designs couldn't match an Imperial-class vessel's power output. When the Essential Guide to Warfare explained why Kuat Drive Yards got most of the Grand Army of the Republic, and Imperial warship contracts nothing was mentioned about Kuat Drive Yards having more efficient power generators.

My personal bias and assumptions at play here, I think all of them do have equal power output but I assume that each funnel their power into different areas. CEC probably puts their power into engines for speed. (CR-90 for example) Mon Cals seem to prefer shields, with the redundant generators they seem to install. Rendili probably invested their power into automating systems to reduce manpower (like the slave circuits on the Katana fleet). Kuat probably funnels more into weapons than the others. Star Destroyers aren't named that because it sounds so cool.

Each shipwright having their own focus does make sense but if Kuat Drive Yards really had a weapons system with an effective range ,over 2000 times longer then that of the other capital ship producing shipwrights then those shipwrights would have to put forth the effort to develop a counterpart or become irrelevant, to say nothing about an effective range almost 2 million times longer then its counterparts which is what a 15 light minute range would be.

I know some of the models one the empire uses are faster that 60 mph

Holy reading comprehension fail...

Here's why a range of 15 light minutes does not work. For anything other then a object on a fixed orbit, like say a planet, moon or a space station.

15 light minutes is 269,813,212 kilometers distance. Now lets say that even if a turbolaser traveled at the speed of light, which it doesn't.

You target something that far away, you see where it was 15 minutes ago, not where it currently is, because sensors are limited to the speed of light. You then fire a turbolaser at it, it will take at least 15 minutes to get there, that means 30 minutes have past from the point it was where you fired at.

Now even if you could accurately predict heading and speed, and assuming the target didn't change heading or speed... If you're off by even .0001% you've still missed your target by 26,981 kilometers . There is zero chance of hitting anything when you figure the distances you're talking about at 15 light minutes. Again unless it's a fixed orbit object.

Not to mention that the target will see the bolt coming well before it arrives and be able to evade unless the sensor crew is asleep at their posts or the bridge unmanned.