I'm tyring to compile a list of the characters we have multiple versions of in LCG....why, dunno maybe to poke nate and say we don;t need any more of thme...though i'm sure he has his own list. also, has they come out we can discuss the merits of each.

So far i have:

Cersie Lannister - Core Set / Kings Landing

Robert Baratheon - Core Set / Kings Landing

Maester Aemon - Core Set / A Time of Ravens

Theon Greyjoy - A Time of Ravens / Kings of Salt and Rock

Renly Baratheon - Core Set / A Time for Ravens

Selyse Baratheon - Core Set / A Time for Ravens

Ser Barristan Selmy / Arstan Whitebeard - A Clash of Arms / Core Set

Arya Stark / Cat 'o the Canals - Core Set / A Time for Ravens / Kings Landing (?)

Jaime Lannister - Core Set / King's Landing

Tyrion Lannister - Core Set / King's Landing

Varys - Core Set / King's Landing

The Hound - Core Set / King's Landing

Littlefinger - Core Set / King's Landing

Twyin Lannister - Core Set / King's Landing

Eddard Stark - Core Set / King's Landing

I think that is all of them, feel free to add to the list if i've missed any.

It seems like King's Landing is resetting the environment big time for a couple of houses....mostly lannister though. Thoughts?

I'm pretty sure i'll use the new version of cersie over the old version, the new version of Varys over the old, and the old version of robert over the new.

I like king renly over CS renly, but thats mainly due to lack of inlfuence. I also like Queen Selsye over CS selyse for almost the same reason.

I'm still not sure why a second Aemon was made...

I used to like CS Selmy....now he collects dust. Targ one gets used though.

I actually like Arya of Cat o'the because Arya helps you win even though Cat is immune to mostly everything.

Eddard, The hound, Littlefinger, Tyrion, Jaime, twyin (if its not the reprint), and Theon (at least in a season deck) are all going to have to have significant abilities to make me take the old versions out of decks.

Keep in mind that we got new versions of most, if not all, of these characters every year of the CCG era in each base set. KLE runs from May to October: base set time. Assuming there isn't a "Core Set 2.0" coming at GenCon (and I bet we would have heard about it by now), are we really getting new versions of these key uniques more frequently in the LCG?

I'm not a big fan of Core Set Robert, unless I cna win the game the turn he is dropped.

I'll be interested in seeing what the King in the new CPs does. If he's a reprint of 5K - i'll be all opver that, and he'll supplant Fat Bob in most of my competitive decks.

ktom said:

wasn't trying to say we are getting them more regularly, just pointing out which ones are there and more that one house seems to get a whole new batch of flexibilty in deck design then others.

Stag Lord said:

i like him for 2 reasons. one he usually takes my opponents control efforts. two if he doesn't i'm winning the game that much faster (especially w/ vigiliant...).

also, so far the only card with 3 copies is arya (and one is under a different name) i'd be surprised if the king in the expansion was anything other then stannis. I almost put him up as a dupe in the list.

Lars said:

It could be that Jaime and The Hound will have neutral Kingsguard versions, instead of House Lannister. We're probably also getting another Barristan Selmy from the cover of chapter pack 3. And do we know that there will be another Tyrion? I know they mentioned Tyrion's Chain, and I imagine Tyrion will be included, but I don't remember seeing his name.

I think Jersusalem mentioned we'll be getting a Balon in King's Landing (some promo magazine), in addition to the KoSaR version we already know about...

yeah i thought about including a 3rd selmy...but wasn't positive. I had forgotten about Balon. but thats 2 unkowns so who knows...

Also Tyrion has 'shadowy' art out that isnt; a card yet so we are speculating that he is in king's landing (it was posted on here somewhere).

Even if the hound and jaimer are nuetral (well that has its own problems...) they still give lannister double flexibilty while only presenting one option to other houses...i see your point though... but why 2x of each lannister family member, with a close 2x of almost all the bara boys? do those two house get more love then the others in gamers eyes? Its not like those are already the two most flexible house in LCG or anything....

If we don't get a new Tyrion, who was hand for all of Clash of Kings, I'll be disappointed. And I did find some art for Arya nd Tyrion that definitely fits in with the Shadow theme.

Also, if we do get a Princes of the South expansion (Martell), we'll most likely see duplicates of Aero Hotah and Obarra Sand. I don't think we'll see the Bastard of Godsgrace in a Martell expansion.

As for some of characters we'll get from Kings Landing, I'm glad we have a Varys that isn't dependent on multi-player to trigger his ability, and I've never been all that excited about CS Littlefinger.

This is more about duplicates in general, but I have found myself running multiple versions of unique characters lately. With the prevelence of Valar, saves are pretty useful. The real plus though is you can use either one depending on the situation. It really helps make your deck fleckible. Its alot more useful in standard than LCG though. Hopefully that will change with the KL chapter packs and the Greyjoy, and possible Martell, expansion. And it doesn't really clog up your deck either, because you can just replace the random 1 or 2 cost dude who's gonna die to claim the turn he comes out anyway.

got another one

Sansa Stark - Core Set / King's Landing

so it seems like we have half the stark (core) family...the whole lannister family and 1/4 of the baratheon family so far (with half of them already having dupes).

Targ, Martell, GJ, players...feel the love?

Lars said:

It´s somehow hard to include e.g. a Euron Crow´s Eye in a thematic kings landing expansion set. But you are right, it´s somehow a little bit dissapointing. No one said the follow up chapter cycle couldn´t bear a "The east" theme, but juding from the information we have right now it´s somehow an unbalanced distribution of uniques.

Red Viper & Ellaria Sand. I mean, come on.... thats definitely King's Landing right there. The most we see of both of them is entirely in King's Landing. I'm really hoping for one or both of them in one of the KLE packs. That would at least be something to hold me over until the Martell Expansion... for a while. :-)

Tyrion is probably the perfect example of how to handle dupes.

The one version (Core Set) of him is solid and fits into a deck even without building around him (gets better in certain builds of course...i.e planing on holding gold builds...)

The other version (Kings landing) of him facilitaties a certain deck build, doesn't fit all decks and gets stronger the more you build around him.

now compare with Renly who is a strong charcater no matter which version you use and often comes to personal taste (my least ideal way of handling multiple versiosn as i often pick one over the otehr and wind up never using the unchoosen one).

See I think its just personal playstyle here. I really like having decks that are very flexible. I want to be able to roll with the punches as it were, so I find myself loving Renly. I can use both the core set renly and the king renly. Then if I already have a King out that I really want to use, I can just throw down the core set renly and use him with Tarth or something. Its pretty much a win win situation.

Staton said:

I think Lars is making his point mostly for LCG... Sounds like you're using "Standard". With the number and frequency of repeats of uniques we get now, with the lower appearance of uniques in general... I think it definitely changes the way getting new versions should be approached.

i was talking about LCG only.

and RJM makes a greta point and somethign i didn't articulate...when you are only getting cards in 40-60 lots at a time it makes the apperance of a different version of a unigue a little more annyoing then it did in the CCG era were we got what minimum 120 at a time? Granted its the same amount spread out over time (roughly) but when its 1 out 40 its a little more upsetting (word choice is off here) then it was in the CCG.