Antigoth said:

That and we didn't want another Rejection.

Antigoth said:

I just want to point out that on Page 1 bloodrunstrue started this by saying certain cards should be banned, one of which included Bitter Rivals.

You decided, nah, he's just fine.

But I'm not?

You, sir, are a ****.

Let us say whatever we want to say. If people want to say "ban this", then let them say "ban this", and shut the Hell up.

If you don't like what you read, how about, I don't know, not saying anything at all? I realize I'm an easy target, and that's why it must make you feel so great to single me out, despite the fact that I didn't join in til like 5 posts later. But really, by bashing me, you're not going to look any better than me by comparison.

But seriously, if you're just so opposed to talk about banning cards, then don't join in. How hard is that? I'm sure anybody who wants any card banned could provide intelligent details as to why, but jerks like you have to be so discouraging and make those who open their mouth feel bad for doing so.

So, Antigoth, YOU DROP IT. Develop some tolerance, and really, mind your tongue. How many threads have I brought up wanting BR banned?

0, because it wasn't until this very thread where I said, "I wouldn't mind seeing it go". If you're gonna mess with me, be aware of what you're getting yourself into pal. Oh, and uh, answers don't mean crap; amazing card is amazing dood.

MarcoPulleaux said:

My apologies, you have only focused on it in two different threads in the last three days. In the other thread you repeatedly were bringing it up, wondering why no one was addressing your thoughts about bitter rivals.

Steve's statement asking players to not repeatedly bring up requests for banning a card still stands.

Antigoth said:

Thank you, much appreciated.

Well, I don't really know what to say about Steve's request. The very point of this thread is rhetorical, and really, I feel that as long as banned talk is actually civil then I don't see how it could be bad. Really, if you have more people complaining about your product than you do praising, then there's obviously something bad going on.

I personally haven't heard anything bad since Set 12. Not that Set 12 was some major savior or anything, but yes, it appears to me that this game has finally reached...somewhat of a balanced state.

Could some cards go? Yes. Should people be allowed to voice their opinion on the issue without feeling bad for doing so? Yes.

I'll just leave it at that. I've already said my issue. I hope I didn't offend you in the process, but the only issue I've ever seen on this forum (and the two that existed before it) was some people making others feel bad for voicing their opinions.

Shinji,

The point is it makes no sense to keep saying ban the same card over and over is what were trying to say . Steve said your going to hurt your cause if you say ban bitter rivals and feline spike every day . Fine say I have a problem with this card your reason and leave it at that. I mean I am sure the play testers talk about problem cards all the time.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Do we still havee arcades in the US?

Whats all this crying about BR anyway? L2P, I haven't played in 4 months and I think its a stupid argument. Just play Big Cyclone

Scubadude said:

OK, but it doesn't have to be going towards any goal. There's no purpose in writing lengthy tourney reports, but we still do it and read them and congradulate.

I understand that none of us have any impact on their decisions, however, we still have the RIGHT to discuss, even if that discussion isn't going towards a goal other than assimilating the general consensus.

MarcoPulleaux said:

No you don't.

Homme Chapeau said:

UFS forums are a totalitarian state.

quarzark said:

fixed.

While I would still love to see Bitter Rivals banned, I will note that

Jealously-Guarded Secret

is awesome-sauce against it.

"You can't sees them! You can'ts haves my keyword cardses! My preciouseses!"

Secret is also hot against Saikyo Ryu. "HAH, chump, you just ditched two cards for nothing. But it's a 0diff? **** that card is good"

ARMed_PIrate said:

You know what's a good card?

Undercover Agent

Yeah...that's kinda a good card right about there =/

Troof.

Last night (against that same Felicia deck), I was playing my Yi Shan (box version). I actually had to use the ability on one of his attacks (committing a foundation to make it go to momentum face up) instead of the free E on Yi Shan, 'cause I had already used the Yi Shan E once that turn.

ARMed_PIrate said:

Yep...just another example of why Undercover Agent is one of the best cards in the game. Hey, continuous abilities! Yeah I'm talking to you, Bitter Rivals, Hanzo, Defender, Ibuki, Donovan, large percentage of other commonly-played cards...you guys can all go eat a D!

Bitter Rivals doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as Olcadan's Mentoring does. And my reasoning for it isn't even the degree of it's power, it's the fact that you just can't make a good excuse to run a deck without it. Infinity, 6 check, 0 difficulty, silly effect. It just breaks the diversity of the game.

Think of all the options that people would acquire if Olcadan's Mentoring were to go.

• 3-4 slots of every deck that aren't automatically taken up by the card
• Anti-destruction cards wouldn't have to be an auto-include in every deck
• Water wouldn't be outright underplayed because of it's inability to deal with Olcadans.
• Anti-destruction cards would still see some play because of cards like Nightmare/Night Terror
• Nightmare/Night Terror may see more play because people would alleviate their use of Anti-destruction cards
• Charismatic would be able to see a bit more play, as would Giradot's Leadership (I'd still run no more than 2 copies of either)
• Agrro can almost definately be more playable because they won't have to fear their combo pieces being wiped out in favour of their high check, lesser ability cards. (Commitment To Excellence, for example, you don't want 4 copies of out!)

I am however, aware of the impact Olcadan's banning could have on the metagame, in the sense that it makes other cards like BR and Chester's harder to deal with, but notice how through the whole of this board, nobody has mentioned Olcadans' Mentoring as the answer to the other 'bannable' cards despite it quite obviously being one of those answers, so it's perfectly possible to get around these cards with other foundations, like the oft mentioned Jealously Guarded Secret, which again, can't be taken away from you if Olcadan's isn't there.

If it doesn't get banned, I'm sure I can live with it, but I do honestly believe that it is our greatest problem card in the meta, and I'd like to think that people would at least agree with my reasonings, and if they can come up with reasons against banning it, I'm all for hearing them.

Viewtiful_Joe said:

This sums it up quite nicely. Great post. +1!

Halbard100 said:

The "hot spots" definately do...around here we have SVGL, MGL, and the ghetto ass boardwalk in Santa Cruz. as far as official arcades that are still active, and of course there is always keystone (although i believe moved recently)

Arcades arent full of pimplely preteens anymore, now its just the pros gettin their game on.

That being said, the 'modern' arcade to advertise in would be gamestop/bestbuy, etc

Smazzurco said:

I agree with gamestop, most definitely! This game is already on its way, but i would like to see this game PLAY more like an arcade fighter first.

Okay, minor rant over.

Smazzurco said:

XD

Eh, I'd rather it have preteens than pros. Pros are losers, plain and simple. Not because of the stereotypical "oh they must have no lives because they play arcades", but because their social skills are the opposite of what they ought to be. The ratio of nice competitive players to mean ones is extremely negative, and a lot of that is because video games aren't like say...sports, where there's several reasons to care about it; gaming is winning and winning alone.

Plus, pros often kill business. At my college, we have I think 7arcades on campus (which is why my campus is baller). Of our cabs, 4 of them are fighting games (3S, CvS2, Tekken5DR, MvC2).

When I arrived on campus last year, I got a huge MvC2 group going on to counter the ever-popular Tekken group. We MvC2 players would meet up every morning to play and get better at MvC2. Well then a pro player showed up with the typical Mag-Sent-Storm team, and yeah, our 15+ group broke up because of that guy, and the worst part was, not only was he good, but he was arrogant, cocky, and attempted to start fights with us =/

*anecdote over*

If America could have more readily access to SF4, Tekken6BR, KOF XII, etc, maybe they'd be more popular? Oh yeah, and from personal experience, build arcades in the ghetto =)

Thank you for insulting myself and a ton of my friends because of a bad experience you had with a Marvel player. Don't assume that a huge communities that differ by game is made up entirely of jerkwads. Furthermore, one of them gets me to play a certain bad game just to see them.

I'm sure that many people on the boards don't think I have terrible social skills. The ratio's you've seen and I've seen are very different. Not one negative person in the tri-state GG/BB communities. Given the hugeness of smash and some aspects of the target audience, it's more common to meet them....about 3 out of every 200. Even communities that I just observe like the Tekken, Marvel, and SFIV communities seem great. Everyone is willing to learn and help each other out, of all skill levels. And big chances are, the professional communities I interact with are far more better than yours, given I'm in 'ol NY.

And then there is UFS. The game we all play. Used to interact with 3 people on cards regularly (2 now, one moved away). And legions of other great players. What's one of the things people seem to love about UFS. How great the community is. Hard to find a bigger group of pros then the NYC playgroup.

Wouldn't want it any other way.

While I'm not the biggest fan of competitive play of video games.

Don't ever say something like that again, Shinji. DaiAndOh is one of my better friends, and an insult towards him is one towards me. Thank you, have a nice day.

I dislike competitive play of anything. You can argue that in the competitive scene the prize determines how un-friendly it can be.

Which is why I like UFS in all its "no cash" glory.

To be honest, I've seen Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament players being bigger douches than actual fighting game players.

*oh snap*

No offense to anybody, it's just an observation.

HolyDragonCloud said:

Did I miss the part where he insulted daiAndoh? I didn't see anyone named or anything, just an anecdote about dealing with a competitive game player that remained nameless. Was DaiAndOh insulted because he's a competitive player and somehow you're stepping in to "get his back" or something?

I usually dislike competitive gaming. This is partly because of my days back when I was playing yugioh (Im still ashamed i played that game). The community was downright horrible. Everyone was all about compettive lvl gaming even lil 5 year old kids. I remember pple would get together before the tournament and pair up in teams so that they could split the prize money. Then there was the vocabulary, I have to say I didnt even know there were so many cuss words in the english language. Granted this is just my experience and some of you prolly had a better time then I did. But I for one am glad I quit that game. Compettive gaming can be fun but I prefer it when everyone is not out for blood.