I am so excited for the M3-A interceptor and StarViper, just because they're mandalorian ships if nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OYA MANDA

Koy'acyi, ner vod!

Bes'uliik anyone?

1-3 person crew produced by MandalMotors 40 years ABY. The hull was covered in Beskar (mando iron), that could deflect even lightsabers

Bes'uliik anyone?

1-3 person crew produced by MandalMotors 40 years ABY. The hull was covered in Beskar (mando iron), that could deflect even lightsabers

If we get Canderous Ordo as a pilot, I'm just going to fly him.

Nobody else. One small base and a 50pt initiative bid.

If we get Canderous Ordo as a pilot, I'm just going to fly him.

Nobody else. One small base and a 50pt initiative bid.

You'd actually have a platform for Lone Wolf

sort of looks like a flaccid origami firespray.

Looks like an A-wing crashed into Boba's face.

Bes'uliik anyone?

1-3 person crew produced by MandalMotors 40 years ABY. The hull was covered in Beskar (mando iron), that could deflect even lightsabers

(1) Way out of the game's time frame.

(2) I'm not necessarily a member of the Karen Traviss Haters Club, but the invention of a Mandalorian super fighter that can fill every conceivable role and mounts unobtainium armor that can shrug off capital-ship grade weapons is, uh... let's say it doesn't really conflict with an uncharitable characterization of her work.

Bes'uliik squadron versus Sun Crusher squadron.

Poor Sun Crushers...

Anyone notice the Firespray generic is a PS5 Mandalorian something?

(2) I'm not necessarily a member of the Karen Traviss Haters Club, but the invention of a Mandalorian super fighter that can fill every conceivable role and mounts unobtainium armor that can shrug off capital-ship grade weapons is, uh... let's say it doesn't really conflict with an uncharitable characterization of her work.

That sounds pretty Traviss hating to me. Seriously though, Beskar could deflect lightsabers. That's why every Mando wears it.

(2) I'm not necessarily a member of the Karen Traviss Haters Club, but the invention of a Mandalorian super fighter that can fill every conceivable role and mounts unobtainium armor that can shrug off capital-ship grade weapons is, uh... let's say it doesn't really conflict with an uncharitable characterization of her work.

That sounds pretty Traviss hating to me. Seriously though, Beskar could deflect lightsabers. That's why every Mando wears it.

I'm not going to debate this at length, but the canon description of the Bes'uliik is that it's a nearly indestructible fighter that matches up favorably against capital ships .

I don't hate Traviss, but the Bes'uliik is a technological Mary Sue: the reason it exists, IMO, is to demonstrate how awesome the Mandalorians are. It's not enough to create a Spartanlike military culture; they also have to be engineering geniuses and they also have to have a resource that is both perfectly suitable for their cultural focus and impossible to duplicate.

It's too much coincidence for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief, and it violates a Fiction 101 rule by removing a number of avenues for meaningful (that is, consequential) conflict.

I don't like the fighter. It's lazy design trying that hard to fit in the look of the Mando helmet in a fighter, just because that's the only thing Mandolorian we've seen in the movies. I like the way the Mando ships looked in the Clone Wars animated series a lot better.

(2) I'm not necessarily a member of the Karen Traviss Haters Club, but the invention of a Mandalorian super fighter that can fill every conceivable role and mounts unobtainium armor that can shrug off capital-ship grade weapons is, uh... let's say it doesn't really conflict with an uncharitable characterization of her work.

That sounds pretty Traviss hating to me. Seriously though, Beskar could deflect lightsabers. That's why every Mando wears it.

I'm not going to debate this at length, but the canon description of the Bes'uliik is that it's a nearly indestructible fighter that matches up favorably against capital ships .

I don't hate Traviss, but the Bes'uliik is a technological Mary Sue: the reason it exists, IMO, is to demonstrate how awesome the Mandalorians are. It's not enough to create a Spartanlike military culture; they also have to be engineering geniuses and they also have to have a resource that is both perfectly suitable for their cultural focus and impossible to duplicate.

It's too much coincidence for me to maintain my suspension of disbelief, and it violates a Fiction 101 rule by removing a number of avenues for meaningful (that is, consequential) conflict.

It's supposed to match up well against capital ships. Just like the B-wing and Bomber.

The overall design isn't bad once you change the paint job so it doesn't look like it was designed by a Boba Fett Fanboi.

The stats and concept is as stupidly over-the-top as the Sun Crusher, and needs to be dropped into the same pit of "Oh, too bad that no longer exists".

Just like the B-wing and Bomber.

Those were designed to be anti-ship fighters flying in squadrons. That's not at all the same thing.

Just like the B-wing and Bomber.

Those were designed to be anti-ship fighters flying in squadrons. That's not at all the same thing.

But they were also very well suited against capital ships.

But they were also very well suited against capital ships.

They were heavy bombers, and a squadron of them could be dangerous to a cap ship. That's not at all the same thing that the Bes'uliik does. Any ship that makes the Sun Crusher seem reasonable... Well I don't think I can say anything else.

The stats and concept is as stupidly over-the-top as the Sun Crusher, and needs to be dropped into the same pit of "Oh, too bad that no longer exists".

To be fair I think they toned down the Defender a considerable amount too from what the "canon" says it should be so they could do the same to this but still make it more expensive than a defender, a 3 3 4 4 stat line somewhere in the ball park of 36 base for a PS1?

The problem with the Bes'uliik is that it's too pretty to not put in the game. The trick is to tone the stats down to reasonable levels instead of Traviss-tier spew. Who knows, maybe we'll get another blog post about how Star Wars is terrible because it doesn't agree with her.

To be fair I think they toned down the Defender a considerable amount too from what the "canon" says it should be so they could do the same to this but still make it more expensive than a defender, a 3 3 4 4 stat line somewhere in the ball park of 36 base for a PS1?

The canon says about six different things about the Defender depending on where you source it. The original TIE Fighter version was crazy. They left it out - and indeed actively mocked the ship - for XvT and then toned it down for Alliance. The Decipher SWCCG gave it the same basic stats as an X-wing. So canon had realized the Defender needed to be toned down long before FFG got their hands on it.

Lots of people don't realize that, because the Defender is just as much a Mary Sue as the Bes'uliik, and they see a godlike machine of infinite power. Godlike machines of infinite power are great for making you feel like a god in a single-player game. They're far less interesting in a multiplayer environment.

So at the end of the day, let's be blunt: The Defender was a dumb ship. The Bes'uliik is a dumb ship. The years have worked to rehabilitate the Defender, I'm sure the same can be done with this one.

Someone left the ship out in the rain

It doesnt take any skill or imagination to design a super ship. Making a reasonable and balanced ship is far more of a challenge

Someone left the ship out in the rain

I don't think that I can take it

Cause it took so long to bake it

And I'll never have that recipe squad list agaiiiiiiin