Ok, thanks, greettings.

And you consider that this not a mistake???, I used like that from a long time, greettings.

WHERE THE OBSTINANCE IS UNBEARABLE.

Heh, yeah.

Kaxel, I... actually can't even parse your sentence there. Are you trying to say that you finish every sentence with "greettings" because you've used that sentence construction for a long time, or that you have spelled it that way for a long time? Because you should probably know that neither is really correct in English.

Ok, thanks, greettings.

*Begins throwing TIE Advanced miniatures at his screen whilst frothing at the mouth, muttering greettings to himself the entire time*

And like I don't a native speaker you think that I don't know that, right???, greettings.

And like I don't a native speaker you think that I don't know that, right???, greettings.

and i don't a understand what you were trying to say wrong godbyes.

Theoretically having a modification would allow non k-turning ships like the HWK and shuttle to do it. So I assume that the text would be something like "when you would perform a 'k-turn' maneuver use the 'banked x template' instead". Given that the assumed card is auto thrusters (if that is indeed what it does) it likely means it is not an EPT.

If it is like that it could be awesome for defender since it could possibly get a white S-loop.

The issue being the modification card would require a specific set speed as it is not possible to do a 4-bank. That more than likely precludes the B-wing from doing a 2 S-loop for example.

The interesting thing about the S-loop is that it requires two different maneuvers on the dial so it may reduce the total number of standard maneuvers a ship with an S-loop can do due to space issues.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see that the cost of adding an S-loop to a non-native ship might be 2 stress to limit a very powerful maneuver.

Not exactly, greettings.

Look at the dial for the StarViper entry. Looks like it can do this as well.

Do you have a link???, grettings.

And like I don't a native speaker you think that I don't know that, right???, greettings.

and i don't a understand what you were trying to say wrong godbyes.

I'm truly afraid of running into him at an xwing event. Can you imagine what translation does to xwing?

Well, it could be interesting, I want to see if we will have a modification to give all the rest of the ships this new manouver, greettings.

An elite talent upgrade sounds like just the thing to me.

The problem would be how to add it to the dial. Presumably you'd have to replace one of your other existing manoeuvres, which would be messy.

Adding it like boost would be, imho, even more problematic- it'd be waaay better than boost or barrel roll. Adding a banked k-turn AFTER completing your regular move? A lot of ships would suddenly be more manoeuvrable than Echo.

You don't need to add it to the dial. Some examples (paraphrased):

"When you reveal a K-turn, you may instead perform a Seg-loop of the same speed, or speed 3, whichever is lowest, then receive 1 stress token."

"When you reveal a bank maneuver of speed 2 or greater, you may perform a Seg-loop with the same speed and bearing instead, then receive 1 stress token."

Greettoings.

And like I don't a native speaker you think that I don't know that, right???, greettings.

and i don't a understand what you were trying to say wrong godbyes.

I'm truly afraid of running into him at an xwing event. Can you imagine what translation does to xwing?

A translation mistake was how the S-loop maneuver was invented.

But FFG give us the Engine Upgrade to put the Boost Manouver to the rest of the ships, so it's more realistic that do it again and give us an upgrade that let the rest of the ships get acces to this new manouver, greettings.

Again, why do we have to give it to all ships? It's one of the things that will make the Star Viper and IG2000 unique. I don't want to see the banked K-Turn available to all ships. And why should we give a crap about what you, Mr. Trolly McTrollerson, think. You want to farm out FFG's game to other companies when they would be the best to make the product.

So, it's like a curved K-Turn?

Well, it's more like a bank, but with a spinny-aroundy at the end.

Well, a K-turn is like a straight but with a spinny aroundy at the end. .

Again, why do we have to give it to all ships? It's one of the things that will make the Star Viper and IG2000 unique. I don't want to see the banked K-Turn available to all ships. And why should we give a crap about what you, Mr. Trolly McTrollerson, think. You want to farm out FFG's game to other companies when they would be the best to make the product.

Why wouldn't you give people the option to upgrade their current ships?

I think it's been one of the best things I've seen in a game. Power creep keeps the meta fresh and alive. Power creep with backwards compatibility ensures it doesn't invalidate your previous ships.

Tie Interceptors are still unique, even though other ships can get the Boost Action with the Engine Upgrade.

Again, why do we have to give it to all ships? It's one of the things that will make the Star Viper and IG2000 unique. I don't want to see the banked K-Turn available to all ships. And why should we give a crap about what you, Mr. Trolly McTrollerson, think. You want to farm out FFG's game to other companies when they would be the best to make the product.

Why wouldn't you give people the option to upgrade their current ships?

Because you don't want every ship to be the same.

Do you have a link???, grettings.

+1 for the typo'd typo. Ahoy.

If it shows up as an EPT, it should be restrictive due to being an advanced maneuver. Maybe 2 points but only available to PS 8+ ships. Something like that anyway. Having generics with EPTs skipping around like grasshoppers could get bland otherwise.

Because you don't want every ship to be the same.

So an E-Wing is the same as a Tie Interceptor as soon as you give it Engine Upgrade?

Maybe the X-Wing is the same as an Interceptor as soon as you give it the R7-T1?

In both cases they fly very differently, have different levels/types of resilience, different restrictions (in the case of R7) or opportunity costs (in the case of the E-wing) and different points costs.

In other words, they are different ships that have somewhat comparable abilities. Giving options to other ships is very different from copy-pasting the same ship over and over.

Yeah but they implied that this maneuver is possible because of the pilots in these ships, not the ships themselves, so I really don't see it becoming an upgrade card for general use. Not in this wave at least anyway.

Yeah but they implied that this maneuver is possible because of the pilots in these ships, not the ships themselves, so I really don't see it becoming an upgrade card for general use. Not in this wave at least anyway.

How was that implied? I mean, it could be the ships and/or the pilots that make it possible, since the S-loop is printed on the dial for both ships. In the StarViper's case, it could be that the ship is just that maneuverable. In the IG-2000's case, it could be that the droid pilots don't worry about g-forces or whatever. I don't think the designers would necessarily limit themselves to some fluffy notion about where the ability to S-loop comes from. They'll allow other ships to do it if it's fun.

In any case...

It wouldn't be for general use if it's an elite talent, since elite talents are only available to certain pilots as it is. In most cases, they are high PS unique pilots (which fills the requirement/limitation mentioned a few posts ago).

And if you have to use the elite talent slot to get access to a Segnor's loop, that's usually a pretty big sacrifice -- no PTL, no Predator, no Outmaneuver, no Veteran Instincts, etc. (I know there will be some rare cases where a ship may have 2 elite talents.)

If they wanted to make it for general use, it'd be a modification. That might happen, but I think an elite talent makes more sense. Until we see more cards from this set, that's as far as I'm going to speculate.

Because you don't want every ship to be the same.

So an E-Wing is the same as a Tie Interceptor as soon as you give it Engine Upgrade?

Maybe the X-Wing is the same as an Interceptor as soon as you give it the R7-T1?

In both cases they fly very differently, have different levels/types of resilience, different restrictions (in the case of R7) or opportunity costs (in the case of the E-wing) and different points costs.

In other words, they are different ships that have somewhat comparable abilities. Giving options to other ships is very different from copy-pasting the same ship over and over.

We still don't have a Barrel Roll mod, either.

Giving a ship the same or similar abilities of another ship adds utility. It also gives a rust bucket like the TIE/A a fighting chance. Vader with squad leader and a rocket still has (a little) room in the meta. A simple upgrade we haven't seen yet could really change things for Vader and his TIE/A pilots.

I don't think its about making all the ships too similar, but rather making the ships do stuff it was never intended to do.

I'm liking what they said in the interview about Scum HWKs. Anti-support? People fearing the HWK sounds frikkin awesome.

Regardless, I don't see it happening. It would be pretty silly for them to release two ships with a unique maneuver, say this is their thing, and then give it to everybody. BTW, EPT is still for general use, because every ship has at least one pilot with access to it.

BTW, I've noticed the trend since the S&V announcement of everybody trying to convince themselves that they will get the new toys without playing the new faction. We have our allied Scum thread. We have this S-Loop thread. Any other things people want to mix and match from the new faction? Apparently this is the forum to convince yourself you will get it.

Haha! I convinced myself that I had no need for Imp ships because I play strictly Rebel. Now, somehow, Imps are 45% of my collection.

Now I convince myself that I didn't spend all that money just for one or two cards from this ship or that one.

I am also convincing myself to buy a second HWK because I'm going to NEED it come Wave VI.

According to Wookieepedia, Boba Fett has used this maneuver before...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Segnor%27s_Loop

FFG does their research: Koiogran Turn is from The Last Command.