Yeah GW prices based on points not ffg, it's either custom paint job or bigger packaging leading to higher expenses.

Although it's hard to tell and I fully admit I could be wrong but it looks like it's bigger lying down than the blister pack could hold, which means unique packaging which in turn means it's more expensive to produce.

I'm completely certain that this is it. It's larger than usual for FFG's small minis, meaning there is a difference in how much it costs to produce--but more importantly, it's going to require their manufacturer to put together a new box. The process is different, and likely unique to the StarViper, which means the per-unit cost is going to be higher.

Well, if GW priced based on relative points to standard sized games... 10 Witch elves wouldn't cost a kidney lol otherwise. They just see 10 models with good quality, and repeat to themselves "we are apple, we are apple" while going for the maximum price.

I still think it's probably because the cheapest pilot is over 25 points so you can only put 3 in 100 points.

E-wings

Phantom

Defender

Ah yes! But the Z-95 in that wave should make up for the other ships.

And where is the one making up for the Tie! haha.

No really, i think it is just packaging. Same can be said about the decimator, which costs like a falcon pointwise. I do not want to remove whole merit about your thinking, i do think that they had into account the points they wanted to be the game, to allow for a low cost entry barrier, and probably priced the first expansions according to it, but i do not think that the next ones are any different outside packaging or mold discrepancies.

My guess for the higher price on the Star Viper is that it's design might be more complicated, requiring more molds and assembly. It's only $5 higher than the other small ships, and at $15 msr prices the Most Wanted pack is $5 cheaper than expected. So buy one of each any pretend they're prices the same as everything else.

My guess for the higher price on the Star Viper is that it's design might be more complicated, requiring more molds and assembly. It's only $5 higher than the other small ships, and at $15 msr prices the Most Wanted pack is $5 cheaper than expected. So buy one of each any pretend they're prices the same as everything else.

The Most Wanted pack looks to be a fantastic deal at $40. Three ships, PLUS the counters and cards to convert two other ships to the new faction. That's essentially a "S&V Starter Set" for the price. If someone already has 2 Firesprays and 2 HWKs (I do), then two sets of that for $80 and I'm fielding 10 Scum & Villainy ships immediately upon release.

Works for me!

Jim

The decimator is huge and the box for it is much bigger than the yt?-2400, I don't think they are trying to rip us off unlike GW which have been price gouging for years constantly upping the price and lowering the number of models you get per box.

One cannot complain about unfair pricing unless they can front receipts for 20 years of torture and abuse via Games Workshop purchases.

I bought the 6th edition 40k spell cards a couple of weeks before they released 7th edition. Couldn't return them even though they were unopened.

One cannot complain about unfair pricing unless they can front receipts for 20 years of torture and abuse via Games Workshop purchases.

I bought the 6th edition 40k spell cards a couple of weeks before they released 7th edition. Couldn't return them even though they were unopened.

I know this is kind of mean. But i laughed out loud in real life by reading this. Sorry, i couldn't help it.

Rationalize it as you may, the real reason is demand. I'll pay for it, will you?

Don't underestimate the cost of tooling, either. If all of the other small ship molds were cut into an NxMxP inch block of metal, but the StarViper's going to need N+1 to fit, you've either got to get new injection machines, retrofit some old ones, etc. That's not cheap. That machine's not going to produce the same number of units per day, etc. etc.

My guess for the higher price on the Star Viper is that it's design might be more complicated, requiring more molds and assembly. It's only $5 higher than the other small ships, and at $15 msr prices the Most Wanted pack is $5 cheaper than expected. So buy one of each any pretend they're prices the same as everything else.

The Most Wanted pack looks to be a fantastic deal at $40. Three ships, PLUS the counters and cards to convert two other ships to the new faction. That's essentially a "S&V Starter Set" for the price. If someone already has 2 Firesprays and 2 HWKs (I do), then two sets of that for $80 and I'm fielding 10 Scum & Villainy ships immediately upon release.

Works for me!

Jim

I'm super excited about the Scum & Villainy set, because it is a superb deal. It really is a core set 2.0 in all but name. I feel sorry for the people who bought 8x Z-95s, haha.

As for the more expensive Star Viper, who knows? It's certainly bigger than the other small ships. My guess is that it's in a bigger box than the other ships. Regardless of price, it brings back so many great memories of SotE I'll be buying it without a second thought.

Also, the price of plastic like that is incredibly cheap. Incredibly. Like, the increase of cost from the Decimator to the Xwing is perhaps only 2 cents.

Labor of painting and cost of packaging volume taken up has more to do with the cost I feel. Still, I bet its not as much as the price tag. They're just trying to gouge us with the already naive concept that a bigger piece of plastic costs a lot more.

It's not just the price of the plastic for the mini.

It takes a bit of extra paint.

A bit of extra packaging that needs to be sourced and manufactured.

The molds are more expensive to have cast, and Virago has some weird shapes that might cause a higher than average rate of factory 2nds.

With all of these come a bit of extra associated labor cost.

I don't think it's out of line to pay a few extra bucks as long as the final product measures up.

Likewise, the Y-s and Z-s can all be run off the same line that makes the Rebel Y-s and Z-s. It's only at the painting phase that they'll be distinguished, saving money. (They likely did the same thing with Imperial Aces and the Squints, hence the RGI not having the winglets that would have been more accurate but resulted in an uptick in price. FFG did us a calculated favor there.)

The StarViper, however, requires a whole new line to be set up and/or an old one to be taken off/slowed down. Start up costs aside, it is easily the most complex looking ship so far even without taking into consideration the blister. It's priced just fine, especially when you consider that most places will be selling it for $5 cheaper anyway.

I'm honestly sort of glad to see a couple of ships with different prices. I'm happy to know that FFG isn't locked into the mindset of "A ship has to fit into $15 or $30 or we won't make it." mindset (epic ships notwithstanding). We may eventually see droid tri-fighters come two in a pack for $20. (Yeah, I want prequel/Clone Wars ships, sue me!) I lik knowing they're flexible with pricing & packaging. I'll happily pay $20 for the Star Viper and $40 for the Decimator because I'd rather have them at those pice points than not have them get made at all.

Jim

Could be related to the effort needed to paint it.

I agree that the size shouldn't really factor in in terms of raw materials (i.e. using more plastic), but the time length and or number of hand painting steps required might be a big factor in final price.

Agreed. The raw materials are negligible, but the (admittedly cheap) chinese laborer likely needs additional time to assemble/paint the larger models.

The average Xwing fan, from what I've seen, can afford $5 more for a new model by skipping the Baconator combo they would eat on the way to the store.

This is a Baconator for the people outside the US.

They used to make one with pepperjack and jalapenos.

It was not entirely awful.

My weakness at Wendy's is the pretzel bacon cheeseburger and it's back after disappearing for like a year.

I would really like to see Prequel ships in the mix.

One cannot complain about unfair pricing unless they can front receipts for 20 years of torture and abuse via Games Workshop purchases.

where is this price info coming from?

Cards from inside the glass case where the ships were displayed. Find one of those threads that talks about the ships for Wave 6 and you'll see them.