After reading endless numbers of threads of goodness (all since noon today), I am some what confused, and looking for someone to set me straight ...

The Armada Core Set comes with:

1 Victory Class Star Destroyer

1 Nebulon-B Frigate

1 CR90 Corellian Corvetter

10 Fighter Squadrons

Then, pictures were shown of Wave 1. In the picture, is a Armada Core Set box and:

1 Gladiator Class Star Destroyer

1 Assault Frigate Mark II

Imperial Fighter Pack

Rebel Fighter Pack

So, the question I have is this:

Is Wave 1 just the 4 ships above, or will Wave 1 also include separately all of the large ships within the core set?

Anyone have any insight? Thanks

Wave One will also include the ships in the core set SOLD SEPARATELY. Lots of options from the very beginning.

I assume that the ships from the core set come as separate expansions as well just like Wave 1 of X-wing Minis.

IT'll be just like XWMG. Core set, and all four ships sold separately!

Because why wouldn't it?

So, assuming you are all correct, which I believe you are, it will be interesting to see if it is cheaper to buy a second core set, versus each of the ships separately.

Perhaps we will see the same value as we did in X-Wing in buying to core sets (should your desire and ability to field multiples of those ships), versus buying ships separately.

So, assuming you are all correct, which I believe you are, it will be interesting to see if it is cheaper to buy a second core set, versus each of the ships separately.

It no doubt will be, but Just like XWMG there will be cards included in the expansion ships that aren't included in the core. But unlike XWMG having more than 2 of something doesn't seem to be the best solution in most cases.

So the necessity of 2 cores is somewhat fuzzy in my mind.

Ahh hell, you can never have too many good looking minis ...

But unlike XWMG having more than 2 of something doesn't seem to be the best solution in most cases.

It doesn't seem to be, at least not like it is with X-Wing.

You can fit at most 3 VSD's in a list, and that leaves little room for upgrades and fighters. I expect you'll not be able to fit more then 2 ISD's when they come out.

If the expansions do come with different upgrades, I just don't see the value in a 2nd core set. A big collection would be something like.

2 VSD's

2-3 Gladiators

2-3 Assault Frigates MK II

2-3 Nebulon Frigates

4-5 CR-90's.

Ahh hell, you can never have too many good looking minis ...

My bank account, wife and available space to store stuff disagrees

I don't think a second core is going to be almost mandatory like it is for X-wing.

I imagine the VSD can't be more than $30. Its not any bigger than the VT-49 which is priced at $30. And the Neb B and Corvette might come in a pack for $30 as well. So I think buying them separately will make more sense. I don't think you need as many duplicates of things in the core set.

I do think, however, that one nice benefit of having the second Core Set is to have duplicates of things like the dice, range/movement rulers for the squadrons, and certainly the new movement device for the capital ships. If I am going to get at least two of every large ship, I may as well get 2 core sets ... at least, I think so.

@VanorDM ... as for wives and space, if you lose the former, you gain the latter.

Honestly I don't think you're going to get the same value from this box set model wise as X-wing. I think they figured out that having a starter that cost $5 less than just the 3 models inside made it to much of a loss leader.

I expect the "model" value in this to be around $75 once you include the fighters. Now if the extra templates and such is worth it to you then by all means grab a second box but I don't expect this to be like X-wing.

As for the number of ships with X-wing I generally grab enough to fill out an entire 100pt list of each ship type so I can see grabbing 3 Victories. If the model cost vs. box set is reasonable I might grab two starters. But in all likelyhood I'll be grabbing the starter models in the individual packs.

If I am going to get at least two of every large ship, I may as well get 2 core sets ... at least, I think so.

But if there's different upgrades in the expansion packs, like there is with X-Wings and Tie Fighters... Then your options change quite a bit. Get the 2nd core and miss out on the expansions. Or end up with 3 of each ship.

Seeing how poorly 3 VSD I's fit into a list, it's a much harder decision. 3 VSD II's is pretty much right out. 3 of those plus a 25 point cmdr is 280 points.

Also lets look at the likely prices of the ships, based on their size and the cost of X-Wing ships.

VSD $30-35, Nebulon $20-25, and the CR-90 $15. That's somewhere between 65 and 75 for all 3 expansions. Unless those costs are way off, a 2nd core set isn't nearly the deal that it is with X-Wing, where the cost of the ships is higher then the cost of the core.

I'm really hoping pricing on the VSD/Assault Frigate is $30 like a falcon and that the frigate/corvette/gladiator are $15. With Fighter blisters being $10-$15. That way getting one of everything on launch isn't totally insane. You'd be looking at (assuming different upgrades in the fighter blisters) $225-$235. Which isn't wallet breaking. Bump those costs up $5-$10 each and it starts to get into a different realm.

X-Wing for all wave 1 ships and starter (which gave you a fully playable squadron at tournament level) was only $40 for the starter and $60 for the individual blisters/expansions. So $100 got you playing 3 Fighters Vs. 4 Fighters right away at 100pts.

I've jokingly said that I would snap up two core sets at the outset. While that may still be true, I'm likely going to order one, take one home, look through it and then decide if I want to buy a second. I know from looking at some of the demo videos for the game, the VSDs have two different card options, a Victory 1 and a Victory 2. Not knowing how the game might work, I am curious as to how commanders might be assigned to a given ship, or if a named ship can be a factor. Certainly Luke Skywalker and Howlrunner make appearances as leaders of a starfighter squadron that is simply integrated as a single card, rather than an upgrade. Not sure how it might be with a card for a given capital ship.

I'm really hoping pricing on the VSD/Assault Frigate is $30 like a falcon and that the frigate/corvette/gladiator are $15. With Fighter blisters being $10-$15. That way getting one of everything on launch isn't totally insane. You'd be looking at (assuming different upgrades in the fighter blisters) $225-$235. Which isn't wallet breaking. Bump those costs up $5-$10 each and it starts to get into a different realm.

X-Wing for all wave 1 ships and starter (which gave you a fully playable squadron at tournament level) was only $40 for the starter and $60 for the individual blisters/expansions. So $100 got you playing 3 Fighters Vs. 4 Fighters right away at 100pts.

Pictures from the display case show the Frigate is $40 and the fighter packs are $20. The Gladiator is $30.

And that might be a shark jumper. ****.....

Pictures show the Frigate is $40 and the fighter packs are $20. The Gladiator is $30.

Do you happen to have a link?

If I am going to get at least two of every large ship, I may as well get 2 core sets ... at least, I think so.

But if there's different upgrades in the expansion packs, like there is with X-Wings and Tie Fighters... Then your options change quite a bit. Get the 2nd core and miss out on the expansions. Or end up with 3 of each ship.

Seeing how poorly 3 VSD I's fit into a list, it's a much harder decision. 3 VSD II's is pretty much right out. 3 of those plus a 25 point cmdr is 280 points.

Also lets look at the likely prices of the ships, based on their size and the cost of X-Wing ships.

VSD $30-35, Nebulon $20-25, and the CR-90 $15. That's somewhere between 65 and 75 for all 3 expansions. Unless those costs are way off, a 2nd core set isn't nearly the deal that it is with X-Wing, where the cost of the ships is higher then the cost of the core.

I suppose the correct play is to buy one initial core set, and then wait for one of you guys to spoil what comes in the Wave 1 stuff sold separately and then make a determination ... ah screw it ... 3 of everything works for me.

ah screw it ... 3 of everything works for me.

I'll stick to 1 core set for now. Looks like Armada stuff will be slightly more expensive then I thought.

Based on the above post listing the costs on the shelf I thin I'll have cut back a bit on what I can get for the $200 I'll likely budget for the game. But Wave 6 does very little for me, so the money I would of spent there will go to Armada.

Yeah, we're now likely looking over $300 for 1 of everything in the first wave. That will be a tournament force (300ish pts) but that's pretty pricey compared to X-wing ($100).

Yeah, we're now likely looking over $300 for 1 of everything in the first wave.

1 of everything will be $210 retail.

Core set $100

Gladiator #30

Assault Mk II $40

Imp Fighter $20

Reb Fighter $20

Total = $210

That said, I''m not sure that would make for a 300 point list... The demo's are right around 125 points, the 2 other ships... I'd guess the Gladiator would be 60ish, and the Assault Mk 2 will be 75ish.

That means both lists will be right around 200, then figure fighters so still 250ish.

Those are the final prices ? Hmm rather expensive in my eyes when they turn them out to euros.

Yeah, we're now likely looking over $300 for 1 of everything in the first wave.

1 of everything will be $210 retail.

Core set $100

Gladiator #30

Assault Mk II $40

Imp Fighter $20

Reb Fighter $20

Total = $210

That said, I''m not sure that would make for a 300 point list... The demo's are right around 125 points, the 2 other ships... I'd guess the Gladiator would be 60ish, and the Assault Mk 2 will be 75ish.

That means both lists will be right around 200, then figure fighters so still 250ish.

That one of everything statement was for the additional upgrades that are likely to be only in the individual starter expansions. Which consequently also gets you up over 300pts with some flexibility.

Yeah, we're now likely looking over $300 for 1 of everything in the first wave.

1 of everything will be $210 retail.Core set $100Gladiator #30Assault Mk II $40Imp Fighter $20Reb Fighter $20Total = $210That said, I''m not sure that would make for a 300 point list... The demo's are right around 125 points, the 2 other ships... I'd guess the Gladiator would be 60ish, and the Assault Mk 2 will be 75ish.That means both lists will be right around 200, then figure fighters so still 250ish.

Are you assuming that you can't buy the Nebulan B, CR-90 and Victory separately? Cause if you can, it wouldn't surprise me if they came with exclusive upgrades, just like the TIE fighter and x-wing packs did for X-wing.