You will of course note that faction 3 in X-Wing happened after six waves of content.

For Armada, the Rebels and Imperials need to have a solidified presence before a third faction can be considered. By the time they're being thought up, Imperial Star Destroyers and Mon calamari cruisers should have been released, along with the popular capital ships, to bring balance to the game with two distinct factions. Then once they're firmly in place, throw the game off with a third faction.

I myself don't care at all for the Zann faction. The Galactic Civil war is about the Empire and the Rebellion having at it- no notable third party was strong enough to make its presence felt. If faction 3 gets anything I don't think I'd be satisfied with anything over the size of the Victory.

Even the Black Sun is just a criminal syndicate, not a galactic government. The goal of a pirate or smuggler is to make money, not conquer the galaxy. So while the Black Sun or the Zann Consortium or whoever might have had the odd capital ship, it still doesn't make sense in a capital ship game. It's not like they were putting together massive fleets to try and take over the Empire.

This game is not about conquering the galaxy.

It's about small battles.

There won't be "Siege of Coruscant" here, becouse that would require hundreds of capital ships. And there is nothing wrong for a rogue faction to use 3 frigates to raid Imperial/Alliance outpost/planet/convoy or vice versa.

Man most of you guys aren't very familiar with The Expanded Universe are you..?

I want to see the Black Sun and Hutt Fleets myself. Or they could do a badass Pirate deal that combines the two... dunno

The ZC is cool too.

Id like to see Republic and Seperatist ships myself with boat loads of Droid fighters...they could even go to Jedi. and sith wars kotor

The battle above Coruscant, combined with the hijacking of the Eclipse was a distraction so that Zann could break into the Emperors personal vault and still a **** ton of money.

So ya, he formed a criminal empire, along with his own fleet full of ships custom designed by himself. He engaged in all out battle against the empire and hijacked the Eclipse...all so he could steal the Emperors credit card. But that is pretty much the EoW: FoC story.

That's the dumbest plan in the history of dumb plans

Ok, so let's steal the money of a society that's in its final death throes- one which we are actively involved in helping to destroy! There's no way THAT currency is going to collapse and become completely worthless

Not going to happen. What capital ships would you even put out for a third faction?

I'm not going to go back and search your posts, but there was a lot of "Not going to happen," being said in X-Wing for the better part of the year. You might not want to be so sanguine.

As the winner of that bet for X-Wing, I find it hilarious that history is repeating itself.

Not going to happen. What capital ships would you even put out for a third faction?

I think this is the biggest sticking point: even if you could scrape up enough to fill out a single wave, you'd have pretty much exhausted the available content.

The Zann capital ships have already been mentioned. There's also the Marauder class Corvette, Starbolt class Assault Carrier, Neutron Star Class Bulk Cruiser, and Interceptor class Frigate. And that's just a few I can think of off the top of my head, and not counting ships already in use in game by the Alliance or Empire which could be in pirate hands.

Or they could maybe do a CIS Holdout faction. The only problem there would be that the CIS doesn't have anything in the way of smaller capital ships that we've seen on screen. (Their smallest on screen capital ship from the PT and TCW is either a big Sil 7 in EOE/AOR terms or a small Sil 8.) .But both the Empire and Alliance are confirmed to be using shi classes never seen on screen so IMO that's a minor probelm at most.

Man most of you guys aren't very familiar with The Expanded Universe are you..?

I want to see the Black Sun and Hutt Fleets myself. Or they could do a badass Pirate deal that combines the two... dunno

The ZC is cool too.

...Okay, I'll admit it. I want me some of these.

Man most of you guys aren't very familiar with The Expanded Universe are you..?

I want to see the Black Sun and Hutt Fleets myself. Or they could do a badass Pirate deal that combines the two... dunno

The ZC is cool too.

...Okay, I'll admit it. I want me some of these.

Yeah the Hutts are cool.

Not going to happen. What capital ships would you even put out for a third faction?

I'm not going to go back and search your posts, but there was a lot of "Not going to happen," being said in X-Wing for the better part of the year. You might not want to be so sanguine.

The arguments against X-wing's were design space and release schedule. There's no shortage of Rebel or Imperial capital ships to make (far more than there are fighters) and the Fringe are lacking in staple capitals.

Even the Black Sun is just a criminal syndicate, not a galactic government. The goal of a pirate or smuggler is to make money, not conquer the galaxy. So while the Black Sun or the Zann Consortium or whoever might have had the odd capital ship, it still doesn't make sense in a capital ship game. It's not like they were putting together massive fleets to try and take over the Empire.

This game is not about conquering the galaxy.

It's about small battles.

There won't be "Siege of Coruscant" here, becouse that would require hundreds of capital ships. And there is nothing wrong for a rogue faction to use 3 frigates to raid Imperial/Alliance outpost/planet/convoy or vice versa.

It may be about small battles but it's still small battles with big ships. You what every pirate in the history of ever has done when he sees a ship of the line bearing down on him? Run like hell.

Even the Black Sun is just a criminal syndicate, not a galactic government. The goal of a pirate or smuggler is to make money, not conquer the galaxy. So while the Black Sun or the Zann Consortium or whoever might have had the odd capital ship, it still doesn't make sense in a capital ship game. It's not like they were putting together massive fleets to try and take over the Empire.

This game is not about conquering the galaxy.

It's about small battles.

There won't be "Siege of Coruscant" here, becouse that would require hundreds of capital ships. And there is nothing wrong for a rogue faction to use 3 frigates to raid Imperial/Alliance outpost/planet/convoy or vice versa.

It may be about small battles but it's still small battles with big ships. You what every pirate in the history of ever has done when he sees a ship of the line bearing down on him? Run like hell.

Same thing goes for rebellions though. And there are plenty of criminal groups with heavy weapons who try to strong-arm their own laws over a place and its local population everywhere in history.

Yuuzhan Vong? Sith Lost Tribe?

Yuuzhan Vong? Sith Lost Tribe?

Put your keyboard up, go sit in a corner, and don't come out until you figure out why you're in trouble.

There are plenty of powerful forces that you guys aren't noticing. For one, there are the Hutts, which we've already seen the fleets of thanks to Joe Boss Red Seven. Then there's the Zann Consortiom, which FFG has already identified in EotE as one of the other forces. He stole ship designs from plenty of other factions, including Mandalorians (which would attract Fandalorians). You could also assume he'd use the ships of other factions like the Rebellion, since Nebulon-B's are Imperial ships, and CR-90's are Correllian. This would help it mitigate into the idea that X-Wing follows, that the Scum and Villainy use the ships of other factions too.

Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing a fleet of Mandalorian ships duking it out with the Hutts...

Again, we're not going to see a third faction until the rebellion and the empire have enough ships to cover a lot of variety.

I'm also doubtful about what kind of "scum" ships would appear in a capital game but they're in X-Wing, so there is a chance they will appear here. But as what? Apart from stuff like the Action IV transport what other large pirate/Black sun capital grade ships are there? At least, any large ships of note.

Again, we're not going to see a third faction until the rebellion and the empire have enough ships to cover a lot of variety.

I'm also doubtful about what kind of "scum" ships would appear in a capital game but they're in X-Wing, so there is a chance they will appear here. But as what? Apart from stuff like the Action IV transport what other large pirate/Black sun capital grade ships are there? At least, any large ships of note.

Dude, the Zann Consortium totally stole the Eclipse!

Kind of the reason why I didn't like the Zann Consortium. It kind of flew by the point of being a crime syndicate and went into overdrive making it some sort of grand third power in the Empire/rebel fight.

Not even the Hutts could claim that.

Kind of the reason why I didn't like the Zann Consortium. It kind of flew by the point of being a crime syndicate and went into overdrive making it some sort of grand third power in the Empire/rebel fight.

Not even the Hutts could claim that.

For some reason I can only "like" this post once, and that seems insufficient.

Yeah if they really wanted a third faction for the FOC Expansion I think a CIS holdout faction could have worked just as well as the ZC. Given how many of the CIS subfactions benefited from the Republic's corruption the corrupt aability would be justas logical for a CIS faction as it was the ZC. Aso the Mandalorians were still being depicted as being hostile to the Republic during the Clone Wars at the time so Mandalore providing ships and weapons to such a faction would make sense. (As far back as the Return of the Jedi novelization it was stated that Mandalore was hostile to the Republic in the Clone Wars but TCW writer's chose to ignore that.).

The move they made with Scum and Villainy for X-wing makes the most sense. Rather than it being one criminal superpower, the Scum and Villainy represents all underground organizations. Not a united force ready to become some third power, just... making a small number of ships from the various organizations available for the player to pick and chose a few preferred ships to field under the banner of "gief money."

Since S&V is a part of the FFG Star Wars Product, we can bet thy will be in Armada. How they do that is anybodies call.

Since S&V is a part of the FFG Star Wars Product, we can bet thy will be in Armada. How they do that is anybodies call.

I just hope we get an Aggressor. As silly as the plot of FoC was, I LOVE THAT SHIP.

Since S&V is a part of the FFG Star Wars Product, we can bet thy will be in Armada. How they do that is anybodies call.

I just hope we get an Aggressor. As silly as the plot of FoC was, I LOVE THAT SHIP.

I prefer Vengeances of the ZC ships, and both Vengeances and MC30Cs from the overall introduced in FOC ship pool to Aggressors but the Agressors are my third favorite ship introduced in FOC. I hope we gett all the ships introduced in EAW, FOC, and rebellion but that isn't likely.

Not going to happen. What capital ships would you even put out for a third faction?

I'm not going to go back and search your posts, but there was a lot of "Not going to happen," being said in X-Wing for the better part of the year. You might not want to be so sanguine.

For sure. I'll admit I didn't think that that was likely either. But this is a totally different ballgame. Smugglers, bounty hunters, space pirates, etc. have a well-established existence in films and the EU, but it's not like Boba Fett flies a Star Destroyer.

Even the Black Sun is just a criminal syndicate, not a galactic government. The goal of a pirate or smuggler is to make money, not conquer the galaxy. So while the Black Sun or the Zann Consortium or whoever might have had the odd capital ship, it still doesn't make sense in a capital ship game. It's not like they were putting together massive fleets to try and take over the Empire.

Actully the ZC did build up a huge naval war fleet with the purpose of conquering the main galaxy and prob the sat galaxies.