Can we please stop asking FFG for rule clarifications that shouldn't need to be asked if one reads the core rulebook and applies them to the card???

As noted by everyone else in this post, you spend the Target Lock to roll 4 attack dice against the defender at Range 2-3. After the 4 attack dice are modified, the defender rolls agility dice and modifies them as necessary. If there are still uncancelled "hits" and/or "crits" the defender is considered "hit" and suffers damage. So far so good???

For Ion Torpedoes, if the defender is "hit" then the defender and all ships at Range 1 of the defender receives 1 ion token.

Summary: Defender suffers all uncancelled damage AND 1 ion token; every ship at Range 1 of defender receives 1 ion token but NO damage.

Wow. Sensitive group.

Wow. Sensitive group.

No, just don't care for it when people come here ask a question get an answer but won't accept it no matter what we say.

Wow. Sensitive group.

No, just don't care for it when people come here ask a question get an answer but won't accept it no matter what we say.

Right, and get hung up on stupid technicalities. The word "also" isn't needed on any of these cards. When you perform an attack you perform all 7 steps of an attack, including suffering damage. If it doesn't say to skip this step you can't just skip it because there is an effect on this card that is also triggering. They shouldn't have to say "do X in addition to all the normal steps". That is pointless. Of course you do all the normal steps. That's how the rules work. "Do all of these steps unless a card says otherwise". That's why ion pulse missiles say "then cancel all dice results" because that is changing the normal flow of the rules. Without that wording you follow all normal steps.

I've already said that I am prepared to say, "you were right", if needed. What else do you want from me?

Right, wrong or otherwise, how have you been playing Assault Missiles or Ion Torps up until now?

Right, wrong or otherwise, how have you been playing Assault Missiles or Ion Torps up until now?

I haven't used Ion Torpedoes yet, but with Assault Missiles, I've been dealing damage to the defender and then also dealing 1 damage to all other ships at Range 1, including friendly ships.

I've been dealing damage to the defender and then also dealing 1 damage to all other ships at Range 1, including friendly ships.

Which is exactly how it should work.

The only difference between that and Ion Torps, is you give them ion tokens instead of damage, and it effects the defender as well.

@VanorDM: [sigh] back off, man! If I want you to repeat yourself, I'll tell you!

I'll tell you!

Sorry, but I didn't know I had to ask permission to point out the obvious...

FFG is going to tell you exactly what Vanor has been saying, all that happens tomorrow is you come back here and eat a big plate of Crow and people say I told you so.

FFG is going to tell you exactly what Vanor has been saying, all that happens tomorrow is you come back here and eat a big plate of Crow and people say I told you so.

[sigh] Why is it so hard for you all to understand that...I'M OKAY WITH THAT!!! Stop beating a dead horse or I won't be.

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FFG is going to tell you exactly what Vanor has been saying, all that happens tomorrow is you come back here and eat a big plate of Crow and people say I told you so.

[sigh] Why is it so hard for you all to understand that...I'M OKAY WITH THAT!!! Stop beating a dead horse or I won't be.

My problem is that, your answer has been given and now you are being rude and wanting to ask FFG when you already have the answer. if you didn't want someone here to answer you why the F did you post here for an answer to your issue.

Rudeness begets Rudeness. You have the correct answer asking anyone else is like calling all these guys liars.

FFG is going to tell you exactly what Vanor has been saying, all that happens tomorrow is you come back here and eat a big plate of Crow and people say I told you so.

[sigh] Why is it so hard for you all to understand that...I'M OKAY WITH THAT!!! Stop beating a dead horse or I won't be.

My problem is that, your answer has been given and now you are being rude and wanting to ask FFG when you already have the answer. if you didn't want someone here to answer you why the F did you post here for an answer to your issue.

Rudeness begets Rudeness. You have the correct answer asking anyone else is like calling all these guys liars.

I only respect answers from those who have respect for the OP. FFG would never treat me the way all of you have just for asking a question.

Not everyone sees things the way you do. I accept that the same is true for myself, which is why I ask questions in the first place. If you cannot do the same, then you should never reply to anyone's post...ever.

How about, don't ask questipns if you aren't going to accept the answer. No one is going to give you false information on this..

How about, don't ask questipns if you aren't going to accept the answer. No one is going to give you false information on this..

There you go again, not respecting the OP enough to read what I have already written. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I have already stated that I am willing to admit "you were right", if that turns out to be the case.

Can you say the same? If not, then you have no business writing anything in these forums.

I only respect answers from those who have respect for the OP. FFG would never treat me the way all of you have just for asking a question.

Well, to be fair you're not giving US any of your money. If you were paying me for my answers, I'd feel a lot more obligated to avoid being rude when you go off in crazy directions.

I only respect answers from those who have respect for the OP. FFG would never treat me the way all of you have just for asking a question.

Well, to be fair you're not giving US any of your money. If you were paying me for my answers, I'd feel a lot more obligated to avoid being rude when you go off in crazy directions.

What crazy direction? Why is it crazy to think differently than you? What makes you an expert? Like you said, I'm not paying you. That's because you didn't make the game. So, when you disrespect me in my thread, I ignore you and turn to the real experts.

What are you... 5... you got an answer, and from several people..then you thumb your nose at them.. and rant about npt wanting to hear about an aspect that is valid. Whatever man.. grow up.

What are you... 5... you got an answer, and from several people..then you thumb your nose at them.. and rant about npt wanting to hear about an aspect that is valid. Whatever man.. grow up.

How dense are you? This is the disrespect that I am talking about! Why would I ever listen to internet bullies?

When will you figure out that it's never what you say; it's HOW you say it.

How about, "That's an interesting perspective. I hadn't considered how ambiguous the English language is and that others might see things differently. Anyway, here's how I understand this card..."

See how non-hostile that is??

Locked thread, here we come!

Honestly, the language used was easy to understand, what anyone was confused on was how it was misunderstaood. That said sure many things can be interpreted differently, this is why it was gone over line by line and described for you.. rather nice of Vanor to do actually.

Whether the answer was in a manners you didn't like, the answer was correct and hpw it IS played, no room for interpretation. It is what it is, your attitude could have been more of a thankful one, for having someone explain it for you.

I was just irritated at your responses. When someone does you a favor, it's impolite to kick em in the face, which is how you came off..

Wow! You continue to make my point for me! What exactly do you truly expect to accomplish here? Do you think that the heavens will part at the awesomeness of your debating skills and that---.............never mind. I'm doing the exact same thing.

You all win. Go pat yourselves on the back. I'm out.

We've all seen a few threads disintergrate because the OP didn't like the answers he was getting and decided to go to FFG. It is very much like saying "you guys don't know what you're talking about".

When the consensus comes back with one answer, from posters around the world, you can generally be pretty sure they might all be on the right track. You can say "I'll admit it if I'm wrong", but to keep driving the point home that you don't believe anyone else's opinion and you're still going to 'confirm' it with FFG, is getting to be insulting.