So just wondering according to SOT you can change to any maneuver of the same speed but treat that maneuver as a red. So say you decide to choose a manuever that's already red would you take a stress from using SOT and take a stress for the red manuever or is it all encompassed in SOT? I'm thinking you just take 1 stress but wanted to make sure.

One stress only. Red is red, and you're only executing the maneuver once.

One stress only. Red is red, and you're only executing the maneuver once.

That's what I figured, so really SOT only penalizes you for choosing another green or white maneuver since you would have taken a stress anyways by doing a red. So let me ask this then, are you allowed to change your maneuver after you've attempted the first maneuver? Obviously normally you can't it's not allowed but SOT says after you reveal your maneuver so technically this would be after I revealed my maneuver right? Again I'm saying it's a no but would like more description on it.

That's what I figured, so really SOT only penalizes you for choosing another green or white maneuver since you would have taken a stress anyways by doing a red. So let me ask this then, are you allowed to change your maneuver after you've attempted the first maneuver? Obviously normally you can't it's not allowed but SOT says after you reveal your maneuver so technically this would be after I revealed my maneuver right? Again I'm saying it's a no but would like more description on it.

When a trigger condition is met, you execute the ability right then. You can't save it for later. "After" doesn't mean "any later point I want that's after this occurs."

So you have to do the change before you execute the maneuver.

It wouldn't do you any good anyway, even if you could time it like you're asking. The stress check is based on the maneuver you executed, not what is on your dial when you get to the stress step.

That's what I figured, so really SOT only penalizes you for choosing another green or white maneuver since you would have taken a stress anyways by doing a red. So let me ask this then, are you allowed to change your maneuver after you've attempted the first maneuver? Obviously normally you can't it's not allowed but SOT says after you reveal your maneuver so technically this would be after I revealed my maneuver right? Again I'm saying it's a no but would like more description on it.

When a trigger condition is met, you execute the ability right then. You can't save it for later. "After" doesn't mean "any later point I want that's after this occurs."

So you have to do the change before you execute the maneuver.

It wouldn't do you any good anyway, even if you could time it like you're asking. The stress check is based on the maneuver you executed, not what is on your dial when you get to the stress step.

Sorry I was thinking of a different question regarding SOT my bad i kinda blended the 2. I was just wondering if someone didn't like where they ended up they could then change their maneuver but as you stated it happens right after not any time later. Thanks

The other thing to take into consideration here is that SoT doesn't give you a stress token by it's use. The Check Stress step is where that's applied to the final maneuver. So if you initially dial a red, and then decide to use SoT to change it, you're still in the Reveal Dial step. Make your final maneuver, and then check stress. If it's still a red, (and SoT says it is) place a stress token.

There was some debate on another thread about using SoT with Navigator and avoiding ending up with a red, because you could choose a non-red with Navigator.

The other thing to take into consideration here is that SoT doesn't give you a stress token by it's use. The Check Stress step is where that's applied to the final maneuver. So if you initially dial a red, and then decide to use SoT to change it, you're still in the Reveal Dial step. Make your final maneuver, and then check stress. If it's still a red, (and SoT says it is) place a stress token.

There was some debate on another thread about using SoT with Navigator and avoiding ending up with a red, because you could choose a non-red with Navigator.

Ya I could see the confusion because it states "treat that maneuver as a red maneuver" so people might try to eliminate the stress from it with navigator or even r2. What was the final answer? Really no matter what maneuver you choose you will get a stress token because it's considered a red maneuver right?

I think it concluded that you got a red from SoT, but if you followed it with a non-red from Nav, you got no stress. Which is the rules-applied stand on it. My personal take on it was there was a lot of changes on the fly (plan, change, change again), and all for no penalty. Didn't seem quite logical to me.

I think it concluded that you got a red from SoT, but if you followed it with a non-red from Nav, you got no stress. Which is the rules-applied stand on it. My personal take on it was there was a lot of changes on the fly (plan, change, change again), and all for no penalty. Didn't seem quite logical to me.

Ya that seems iffy to me too, would be awesome if it's true tho, would that work with r2 as well or only navigator?

I think it concluded that you got a red from SoT, but if you followed it with a non-red from Nav, you got no stress. Which is the rules-applied stand on it. My personal take on it was there was a lot of changes on the fly (plan, change, change again), and all for no penalty. Didn't seem quite logical to me.

Ya that seems iffy to me too, would be awesome if it's true tho, would that work with r2 as well or only navigator?

It would not work with R2. Per the FAQ, if two abilities try to change the color of the same maneuver, the harder color wins. Stay on Target says it's red, R2 says it's green, Stay on Target wins.

Navigator works because you're changing to a completely different maneuver, which wasn't affected by Stay on Target. Stay on Target makes your 2 Right Turn red, Navigator changes you to a 3 Right Turn which is white, and you execute the white maneuver.

I guess not.

I think it concluded that you got a red from SoT, but if you followed it with a non-red from Nav, you got no stress. Which is the rules-applied stand on it. My personal take on it was there was a lot of changes on the fly (plan, change, change again), and all for no penalty. Didn't seem quite logical to me.

Ya that seems iffy to me too, would be awesome if it's true tho, would that work with r2 as well or only navigator?

It would not work with R2. Per the FAQ, if two abilities try to change the color of the same maneuver, the harder color wins. Stay on Target says it's red, R2 says it's green, Stay on Target wins.

Navigator works because you're changing to a completely different maneuver, which wasn't affected by Stay on Target. Stay on Target makes your 2 Right Turn red, Navigator changes you to a 3 Right Turn which is white, and you execute the white maneuver.

Hmmmm and that was ruled as "legal" by ffg or that was consensus amongst the posters?

Hmmmm and that was ruled as "legal" by ffg or that was consensus amongst the posters?

Consensus. FFG has a policy of not commenting on cards which haven't been released yet, so no official word on it.

I kinda doubt it's supposed to work that way, but there's also little question that it's correct as currently worded.

I can't remember, but I think someone fired an email off about it, but as Buhalin said, until it's released, we wait for officialdom.

I can't remember, but I think someone fired an email off about it, but as Buhalin said, until it's released, we wait for officialdom.

Gotcha, ya that seems too crazy to be true haha