horsepire, I've read a fair number of EU books, but mostly from post Return of the Jedi. More specifically from the Thrawn trilogy onward. For that reason my experience with Rebellion capital ships stemmed mostly from the original trilogy and Star Wars: Rebellion. I had no idea that most of the rebel ships were completely made up for Rebellion and not used elsewhere.

What other ships from the EU did the rebellion use during the same time period as the original trilogy? (I know they used a lot of stolen empire ships, but I hate the idea of the same ship being released for both factions in this game)

Well, my background is pretty much the same in terms of books, though I also played pretty much all of the video games up through X-Wing Alliance.

These are, from what I can recall, all the ships we see the Rebels use in the OT: Mon Cal (multiple versions), Nebulon B, CR90, GR-75...and that's it.

So there's definitely a problem here - the Rebels don't have that many instantly recognizable capital ships. Moreover, they don't have any BIG capital ships, like, ships that could take on a Star Destroyer one on one.

Rebellion and other games recognized that this was a problem, and it's still kind of a problem. I just don't agree with the way Rebellion in particular tried to solve the problem.

If it were up to me (it isn't, at all), this is what I'd propose for the Rebel line:

• MC80 Mon Cal Cruiser/Home One
• MC40 Mon Cal Light Cruiser
• Assault Frigate
• Nebulon B Frigate
• Some kind of escort carrier?
• CR90 (Corellian Corvette)
• DP20 (Corellian Gunship)
• GR-75?

That's 8 ships. For the Empire, I'd have the ISD and VSD, dreadnaught, Nebulon 2, Vindicator/Interdictor, and Lancer/Carrack.

That's a start. But you'd definitely want to expand both lines. The Imperials would be easy, but the Rebels? I dunno.

Honestly I don't have any attachment at all to the ships in Rebellion so if FFG wanted to design an entirely new capital ship I could get on board with it, so long as it was good looking and was uniquely Rebelly.

I want to see these obscure one-shot ships precisely because they don't appear in other sources. Rebellion had some interesting contributions. So did the flight simulators... I really want the XG-1 Assault Gunboat to appear there because it's an interesting craft that hardly sees the light of day!

Rebellion did much to flesh out an area that is typically dominated by Mon calamari designs. You have to give it to those designers for taking the initiative to do something different...

Oh absolutely. Rebellion's designers recognized a problem and tried to solve it by creating new ships. I don't particularly like any of their solutions from either an aesthetic or game design perspective, but they tried.

I'd love to see the Assault Gunboat in X-Wing!

As for the more obscure EU ships...I'd rather FFG just make up a new ship than try to shoehorn in an ugly, one-off ship from a relatively unpopular 90s computer game (any of the Rebel ships from Rebellion).

Is it possible we see something from the new movies and/or TV show???

I'd love a CC-7700 myself. A thought occurs though, how many ships were mentioned in previous books but never had any actual designs until Rebellion?

I hope the rebels get to use more than just the floating turds err I mean mon calamari cruisers.

As for the more obscure EU ships...I'd rather FFG just make up a new ship than try to shoehorn in an ugly, one-off ship from a relatively unpopular 90s computer game (any of the Rebel ships from Rebellion).

Is it possible we see something from the new movies and/or TV show???

1st, you really think that Rebellion was an unpopular 90s computer game!!? From my experience, anyone that discovered the game back in the day absolutely LOVED it. It's why many of your posts have shocked me because it's clear you really didn't enjoy the game..

In response to your question above, I expect we'll get new things added from the TV shows etc but I really hope they don't make the Gozanti cruiser for Armada. The thing only carries 4 tie fighters.. and I'm expecting that each fighter squad in Armada will represent a full squad (around 12 ships)

The assault frigate is the only thing that comes to mind. Certainly when Rebellion was being made the designers tried to come up with ships to fit into the game. Many of the Calamari permutations didn't exist yet, we just got one "Mon calamari cruiser".

I think FFG will try to pull from all sources to come up with decent rebel capital ships. This is Rebels, Rebellion, the video games, card games certainly... anything that had a presence in the last 40 years of Star Wars in the Galactic Civil War would be up for grabs.

Something else to consider here is that this game is just starting out. FFG may be trying to shape what Wave 1 looks like before moving on to bigger or smaller ships. X-Wing Wave 1 was focused on getting the essentials with some variety out there before moving on to Wave 2- A-Wngs, Interceptors, Falcons... for flavor. So, what would be the core ships that you think would be essential to both sides?

Rebellion was great. That is all.

Well, not quite all. A lot of the ships were stupid or ugly (or both) but it was still a great game.

Finally, to those who say the Mon Calamari Cruisers look like turds, you should look at the strike cruisers from Rebellion...

As for the more obscure EU ships...I'd rather FFG just make up a new ship than try to shoehorn in an ugly, one-off ship from a relatively unpopular 90s computer game (any of the Rebel ships from Rebellion).

Is it possible we see something from the new movies and/or TV show???

1st, you really think that Rebellion was an unpopular 90s computer game!!? From my experience, anyone that discovered the game back in the day absolutely LOVED it. It's why many of your posts have shocked me because it's clear you really didn't enjoy the game..

In response to your question above, I expect we'll get new things added from the TV shows etc but I really hope they don't make the Gozanti cruiser for Armada. The thing only carries 4 tie fighters.. and I'm expecting that each fighter squad in Armada will represent a full squad (around 12 ships)

On the contrary, I actually loved Rebellion. However, I've always suspected that I was in the minority there .

In retrospect it definitely wasn't a very good game, and not at all accessible to a mainstream audience, but I did enjoy it at the time.

Something else to consider here is that this game is just starting out. FFG may be trying to shape what Wave 1 looks like before moving on to bigger or smaller ships. X-Wing Wave 1 was focused on getting the essentials with some variety out there before moving on to Wave 2- A-Wngs, Interceptors, Falcons... for flavor. So, what would be the core ships that you think would be essential to both sides?

Honestly, and I think this is obvious. We're all thinking waaaay too far ahead for Armada. Many of the ships we are talking about won't even be released until wave 2 at the earliest.. I tend to agree with what VanorDM has been calling since many of his early posts. Wave 1 will be the individual ships of the starter set. Not even sure I expect them to release a new imperial ship for wave 1. Wave 2 will probably be smaller imperial ships with a Mon Cal for the rebels. At least.. that's what I expect. But of course it's still very enjoyable to discuss!

Rebellion was great. That is all.

Well, not quite all. A lot of the ships were stupid or ugly (or both) but it was still a great game.

Finally, to those who say the Mon Calamari Cruisers look like turds, you should look at the strike cruisers from Rebellion...

And the space combat was pretty rudimentary...you didn't have a ton of control over what was going on.

But it was cool. I especially liked naming all my ships.

Honestly, and I think this is obvious. We're all thinking waaaay too far ahead for Armada.

Well, yeah. But we're all excited and we have literally one article to endlessly dissect and discuss. Might as well, right?

As for the more obscure EU ships...I'd rather FFG just make up a new ship than try to shoehorn in an ugly, one-off ship from a relatively unpopular 90s computer game (any of the Rebel ships from Rebellion).

Is it possible we see something from the new movies and/or TV show???

1st, you really think that Rebellion was an unpopular 90s computer game!!? From my experience, anyone that discovered the game back in the day absolutely LOVED it. It's why many of your posts have shocked me because it's clear you really didn't enjoy the game..

In response to your question above, I expect we'll get new things added from the TV shows etc but I really hope they don't make the Gozanti cruiser for Armada. The thing only carries 4 tie fighters.. and I'm expecting that each fighter squad in Armada will represent a full squad (around 12 ships)

On the contrary, I actually loved Rebellion. However, I've always suspected that I was in the minority there .

In retrospect it definitely wasn't a very good game, and not at all accessible to a mainstream audience, but I did enjoy it at the time.

Well I'm glad you loved it!

And I really can't argue with the designs of the Rebellion ships. As I said before, I didn't know they were made specifically for the game so ya.. the designers really just made rebel ships with imperial abilities without too much thought beyond that.. (kinda disappointing to learn now )

Honestly, and I think this is obvious. We're all thinking waaaay too far ahead for Armada.

Well, yeah. But we're all excited and we have literally one article to endlessly dissect and discuss. Might as well, right?

If I didn't expect FFG to release more info at Gen Con I'd probably be creating my own rules based on the one article just to get more from it!! Lol

Honestly, and I think this is obvious. We're all thinking waaaay too far ahead for Armada.

Well, yeah. But we're all excited and we have literally one article to endlessly dissect and discuss. Might as well, right?

If I didn't expect FFG to release more info at Gen Con I'd probably be creating my own rules based on the one article just to get more from it!! Lol

Did you ever play Battlefleet Gothic?

I got my start in wargaming with Warhammer 40K, and picked up BFG when it came out years ago. I've long since deserted Games Workshop, but BFG was an awesome game. Part of the reason I'm so excited for Armada is because I have so many great memories of playing BFG.

And yeah, GenCon can't get here soon enough.

I was very interested in Battlefield Gothic, but I had sticker shock and was never going to end up painting my miniatures.. Looking back I really wish I had done it. Looks like such a great game.

...and the CC9600...eh, who knows?

Was designed as an analogue to the Strike Cruiser.

Something like three different assault frigates exist. This one's a hybird between the Dreadnought, classic Assault Frigates (OP), and the Nebulon-B2.

The Assault frigate is already a conversion of the Dreadnought

But as for capital ships. I don't want to see the CC9600, CC7700 or Bulwark ships. They were specifically created for Rebellion and they don't look good at all.

Can I just say that TFU and TFU II were considered top-tier canon by Lucas, and thus, everything that appeared in this cutscene was canon?

hell I am just tickled pink that we're getting a Victory class SD. hands down one of my favorite ship classes in star wars, I love the design of it. This marks the first time there has ever been an official model/toy/miniature made of it.

They put out some Lancers, Carrack Cruisers and the Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser (think rebel equal to the imperial escort carrier) or some Imperial and Rebel dreadnaught that'll make me as happy as a pig in mud.

hell I am just tickled pink that we're getting a Victory class SD. hands down one of my favorite ship classes in star wars, I love the design of it. This marks the first time there has ever been an official model/toy/miniature made of it.

They put out some Lancers, Carrack Cruisers and the Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser (think rebel equal to the imperial escort carrier) or some Imperial and Rebel dreadnaught that'll make me as happy as a pig in mud.

Know exactly what you mean. Victory class has always been one of my faves.

I also love the look of the Interdictor/Vindicator cruiser, so hopefully we'll see those too.

The victory class is an adorable ship.

The best thing about the mon cal cruisers is that they all unique. Meaning that the game designers have the freedom to create some way out there beautiful ships under the MCxx title.

I'd love to see their creativity unleashed.

The best thing about the mon cal cruisers is that they all unique. Meaning that the game designers have the freedom to create some way out there beautiful ships under the MCxx title.

I'd love to see their creativity unleashed.

Agreed. If FFG is going to "invent" ships to fill out the Rebel line, I'd love for a couple at least to be variations on the Mon Cal. Fits within the EU we all know and love without any trouble, and gives the designers wide latitude to do what they want rules-wise.

How bout the archammer from dark forces.

The Arc Hammer would be too big I guess. It's about 10KM long.