So there has already been plenty of talk in regard to scale and super star destroyers etc.. but what I am interested in hearing about is what ships (please lets not get too specific on scale here) fall in the Galactic Civil War era and thus have a chance of being released for Armada?

Pictures would be ideal!

I personally hope to see Assault Frigates and Mon Cal Cruisers!

Assault Frigate

Mon Cal Cruiser (Though many designs existed)

Most of my experience on Star Wars capital ships comes from Star Wars: Rebellion. So many of these ships seem likely to me, however I have no clue to what is canon and not etc...

Rebellion Ships:

Bulk Cruiser

Bulwark Battlecruiser

CC-9600 Frigate

Corellian Gunship

Dauntless Cruiser

More Rebellion Ships:

Alliance Escort Frigate

Unsure what faction this ship belonged to:

Liberator Carrier-Cruiser

Empire Ships:

Carrack Light Cruiser

Dreadnaught

Imperial Escort Carrier

Imperial I Star Destroyer

More Empire Ships:

Interdictor Star Destroyer

Lancer Frigate

Strike Cruiser

Vigil-class Corvette

Star Galleon

Then there is the Victory II and Imperial II class star destroyers. The Super Star Destroyer etc.. What else!?

The visual difference between the VSD I&II and ISD I&II are pretty minor, not enough IMO anyway to warrant a new model. I could see it as an upgrade.

Plus there's a question of is the I & II versions are even canon any longer. Those were something people came up with, to explain why the models in the movies didn't always look exactly the same.

That said...

I expect to see a ISD as part of wave 1. We might see a MonCal, but that could be pushed off until wave 2...

The visual difference between the VSD I&II and ISD I&II are pretty minor, not enough IMO anyway to warrant a new model. I could see it as an upgrade.

Plus there's a question of is the I & II versions are even canon any longer. Those were something people came up with, to explain why the models in the movies didn't always look exactly the same.

That said...

I expect to see a ISD as part of wave 1. We might see a MonCal, but that could be pushed off until wave 2...

I agree with you across the board here. I don't think we'll see re-releases for VSD I&II or ISD I&II. I also think your prediction of an ISD in wave 1 with other smaller rebellion ships and then Wave 2 including the Mon Cal having a good chance of being accurate.

I would say Wave 1 will include smaller ships for each side. I don't see them doubling up on big ships for the Empire. So maybe a Lancer Frigate or Carrack cruiser for the Imps. The Rebels might get an Assault frigate or correlian gunship or maybe even some fighter packs. You might even see a small Falcon in this game or even our beloved GR-75. It will be interesting to see if they release two ships a wave or what.

CC-9600 Frigate

Ick. Superior CC-7700 reporting:

I definitely hope they revamp a lot of those designs if they're to make an appearance in Armada. So many of those ships are ugly.

The Rebels might get an Assault frigate or correlian gunship or maybe even some fighter packs.

I'd be surprised if we see anything reb side other then the CR-90 and Neb B.

My wave 1 predictions follow closely to VanorDM's. Assuming we see 4 ships be released (not positive on this as they will more expensive than X-wing's releases) I expect to see a Nebulon B, CR-90, Victory-SD and either the Lancer frigate or Carrack cruiser. I'd also expect to see 1 new type of fighter for each faction, but not sure we'll see that until wave 2.

Broadside Cruiser (Imp)

Mk II Assault Frigate (Reb)

And maybe for fun, the ludicrous glass cannon from EaW that was the MC30 Mon Calamari frigate:

Also maybe the Tector class, which forgoes the usual fighter complement of a standard ISD for more guns and armour.

Broadside Cruiser (Imp)

Mk II Assault Frigate (Reb)

And maybe for fun, the ludicrous glass cannon from EaW that was the MC30 Mon Calamari frigate:

Also maybe the Tector class, which forgoes the usual fighter complement of a standard ISD for more guns and armour.

The MC30 was absolutely devastating when used correctly. Especially in numbers.

Like, you need NOTHING ELSE to fight capitals with.

I dunno, I kind of like the CC-9600. Certainly different from most other star wars ships.

If the rebels get the Nebulon B, Hoping the empire gets

In response.

In fact, I'd also like to see the rebels get

The MC40a seemed like an interesting counterpart to the Victory when it showed up in TIE Fighter. different, distinct from most other typical mon cal cruisers.

And if we're taking choices on assault frigates, mine's this one:

Something like three different assault frigates exist. This one's a hybird between the Dreadnought, classic Assault Frigates (OP), and the Nebulon-B2.

Something like three different assault frigates exist. This one's a hybird between the Dreadnought, classic Assault Frigates (OP), and the Nebulon-B2.

The Assault frigate is already a conversion of the Dreadnought

But as for capital ships. I don't want to see the CC9600, CC7700 or Bulwark ships. They were specifically created for Rebellion and they don't look good at all.

MC60

MC80a

MC80b

MC 80 Home One Class

And the assault frigate, mentioned from Norsehound, nebulon B2, MC40, corr. gunboat and some more.

If fighter squadrons play as big a role as I expect them to in this game we could very easily see capital ships devoted to providing your fleet with anti-fighter protection. For this role I could see the empire getting the Lancer frigate previously mentioned or the tartan patrol cruiser:

Broadside Cruiser (Imp)

Mk II Assault Frigate (Reb)

And maybe for fun, the ludicrous glass cannon from EaW that was the MC30 Mon Calamari frigate:

Also maybe the Tector class, which forgoes the usual fighter complement of a standard ISD for more guns and armour.

The MC30 was absolutely devastating when used correctly. Especially in numbers.

Like, you need NOTHING ELSE to fight capitals with.

Yeah, it was pretty fun to drop one behind a Star Destroyer and troll merrily away. They couldn't turn fast enough to target you very well, so it was good times, especially if you blew up their engines first...

That said, B-Wings were way better in terms of value. The frigates were just over-priced for what they did.

The Assault frigate is already a conversion of the Dreadnought

But as for capital ships. I don't want to see the CC9600, CC7700 or Bulwark ships. They were specifically created for Rebellion and they don't look good at all.

I already knew the assault frigate is a rebuilt Dreadnought. It's just that the force unleashed one looks better and more obvious about its origins.

The MK II doesn't look like it has any connection to the original dreadnought at all, and I hope it won't be the adopted Assault Frigate model. I liked the spindly look of the predecessors and the idea that it was an adapted design fits better over the MK II. *shrug*

I like the CC series precisely because they're different (and they "don't look good", matter of taste?). In Empire Strikes back the rebel armada was, well, comprised of random junk that were called space ships in the background. With that kind of precedent I think these ships fit in. Especially because they have more design to them than just random junk models

Please no Rebellion ships! In addition to being quite ugly (the Bulwark in particular, though it's far too big for this scale), they really were fairly uninspired designs. The CC was literally just invented by the game designers so that the Rebels would have a counter to the Interdictor. I'm not sure how the Interdictor's mechanic would play out in Armada, but whatever it does, I would hate it if FFG just copied it and gave it to the Rebels too.

The same thing can be said about pretty much all the invented ships from Rebellion: the Dauntless and Liberator were invented to give the Rebels direct counters to the various Star Destroyers (Rebellion had both VSD and ISD I and II), the Bulwark was invented to counter the Super Star Destroyer, and the CC9600...eh, who knows?

Point being - there are enough ships out there in the EU for FFG to develop a full, complete line without resorting to giving one side or the other lame copies of the other's ships.

Also, although many ships were used by both sides (Nebulon, Dreadnaught, etc.), I'd prefer to see some limits there too.

Here's how I would do it:

• Rebels get Nebulon-B -- Imperials get Nebulon B-2 (the winged version posted above, from the video games)
• Imperials get Dreadnaught -- Rebels get Assault Frigate (a modified, upgunned dreadnaught)

In my opinion, this is better than giving the exact same ships to both sides (though if you had to do that, you could differentiate by having different captains/upgrades). Here, both sides have access to similar, but distinct variants.

You could easily justify it from a "fluff" perspective, also. Rebels get the Nebulon because many of them were stolen from the Imps. Imps get the new and improved version, now rolling out of Imperial shipyards, phasing out the older model and this time with a tighter emphasis on security.

Imperials get the dreadnaught, a Republic design, while Rebs get a unique variant specifically designed and introduced by them.

...but you're shooting down some of the rebel ships from the EU. In fact, I think those are some of the few combat ships that are not mon calamari in origin! And I think they're interesting because of it. The Alliance had to have access to other combat craft being produced at the time that weren't just from Mon Calamari pleasure yatch boneyards

I think if you want uniformity in design, you'll fly Empire. Most ships are some denomination of space wedge or other. But if you want eclectic? The Rebellion takes anything and everything it can, including the ugly designs.

Which well, I'm kind of a fan of. I thought they were ugly too at first but they grew on me, and we know FFG touches up on designs from the EU to make them aesthetically pleasing. I'd like to see the CC-9600 for some reason.

That's fair, although most of the ships from Rebellion have little to no existence in the EU outside of that game.

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing some more obscure ships for the Rebels since admittedly they have less capital ships to choose from, but whatever FFG comes up with, I hope they avoid the mirror-image type balancing that went on in Rebellion.

You're definitely right about one thing, though - FFG has been really good about making aesthetically pleasing models. Since there isn't much information out there on some of the more obscure ships, a little aesthetic touching up could be in order, and I could get behind that.

I want to see these obscure one-shot ships precisely because they don't appear in other sources. Rebellion had some interesting contributions. So did the flight simulators... I really want the XG-1 Assault Gunboat to appear there because it's an interesting craft that hardly sees the light of day!

Rebellion did much to flesh out an area that is typically dominated by Mon calamari designs. You have to give it to those designers for taking the initiative to do something different...

I don't expect FFG to do straight mirror ships or ports. This might not be fair to make the comparison since I haven't played, but from Star Wars Galaxies? The Decimator was the mirror of the Millennium Falcon for the empire. I presume they played exactly the same. But it's clear when bringing it into X-Wing that they took the effort to make it distinct and not just an "Evil Millennium Falcon". If FFG is given permission by LFL to do those ships, I think they'd do their best to make them distinct and work within Armada to give us new play styles.

horsepire, I've read a fair number of EU books, but mostly from post Return of the Jedi. More specifically from the Thrawn trilogy onward. For that reason my experience with Rebellion capital ships stemmed mostly from the original trilogy and Star Wars: Rebellion. I had no idea that most of the rebel ships were completely made up for Rebellion and not used elsewhere.

What other ships from the EU did the rebellion use during the same time period as the original trilogy? (I know they used a lot of stolen empire ships, but I hate the idea of the same ship being released for both factions in this game)