Last night I was playing a casual game with a nieghbor and caught him intentionally trying to execute a move that was not dialed in....... he said it was a mistake but the way things went down I knew it was'nt and he was trying to cover it up ( he tried to pull a straight 4 when his dial was a 4k turn. the straight move would have given him a shot at my y-wing... and of course the k turn did'nt ). I let it slide since #1 he was busted....and #2 we were drinking,lol....beer and x-wings YAY!

My question is....if some one is caught doing such a thing, what is the proper "game" reaction?

Thanks for the help in advance!

This.



But seriously, in a friendly casual game, mistakes happen. Especially if there's beer involved.

Are you looking for a proper game reaction in a casual, Sunday afternoon game at home? Or for the proper reaction for an official sanctioned Tournament reaction?

At home, fly casual. Do whatever, but realize when someone is "nudging" the limits of the rules. I'd probably let it slide, but then mention it, in a joking manner, for quite a while.

At a tournament, you fly what you picked. Even if it sucks. To do otherwise is cheating.

And if it keeps happening and doesn't seem to be an honest mistake, maybe don't play against them anymore.

I agree, he has to play what he picked no matter what. Even for casual games, unless it was painfully obvious it was a mistake, like a right turn that takes you off the board vs a left turn which puts you behind my ship at range 1...

IMO in a casual game people should be willing to suffer a mistake, myself and the people I play with would never ask to take back a move or change a dial. I might offer to let them, but IMO it's bad taste to ask, other then in extreme cases.

Also, don't have a dial with me. But is the 4 K turn next to the 4 straight?

Here's some quotes from the FAQ Competitive Play section regarding Dials...

If a player forgets to place a maneuver dial next to a ship, but tells his opponent he is ready to begin the round, once play has proceeded to the first ship (a dial has been revealed, a maneuver has been executed, etc.), he may no longer place a dial. Instead, when that ship activates, the player’s opponent chooses the maneuver that ship will perform. No actions may be taken before this maneuver, but play proceeds normally after the maneuver has been executed.

If a player assigns the wrong ship dial to his ship (for example, assigning a B-wing dial to an X-wing), when he reveals the dial he must inform his opponent of the error. If the revealed maneuver is a legal maneuver for that ship (for example, the revealed B-wing dial shows a green [ 1] maneuver, a maneuver that also appears on the X-wing ship dial), it is executed as normal. If the revealed maneuver is not a legal maneuver for that ship (For example the B-wing dial shows a red [ 1] maneuver, a maneuver that does not appear on the X-wing ship dial), the player’s opponent chooses which legal maneuver from that ship’s actual dial that ship will perform.

If a player reveals a dial that is stuck between two different maneuvers in such a way that it is impossible to determine which maneuver was selected, the player’s opponent chooses which of those two maneuvers that ship will perform.

Notice that none of those address picking the wrong maneuver, because you always should play what the dial shows, unless it's covered under one of the above cases.

The real question is "Who bought the beer?". If he bought it, then fine I'll let you slide a couple times. If you bought it, then thats just wrong that he did it.

The real question is "Who bought the beer?".

I dunno, beer isn't an excuse to cheat, at least not at first... It becomes a better one the more you consume.

But IMO it's in someways worse to pull this in a friendly casual game, if someone cheats at the World Champ, there's something riding on the win. But at a friendly game?

yea it was kinda crappy......but he is a friend so I'll let it go for now and just tease the crap outta him getting caught doing it. As for resolution wise , I think we are gonna have to do the "opponent chooses manuever" thing

We usually strip them down, tie them to a lamppost and shoot them with the airsoft rifles, unless they brought the biscuits of course, then we let them keep their underpants on...

You've just gotta nail him down to: "You planned, now you do it! Now pass me another beer!"

Or, every time he screws up he's got to down another beer. Actually, that might not go that well after a while.

An "incorrect maneuver" is impossible to do. If it's on the dial that is what they do. If they could NOT perform what the dial shows then the opponent gets to pick something that they could do even if it is flying off the board.

It's simple. They must do whatever is on their dial. If they refuse, call over a TO.

Or how about everyone just doesn't cheat? That sounds much better.

Last night I was playing a casual game with a nieghbor and caught him intentionally trying to execute a move that was not dialed in....... he said it was a mistake but the way things went down I knew it was'nt and he was trying to cover it up ( he tried to pull a straight 4 when his dial was a 4k turn. the straight move would have given him a shot at my y-wing... and of course the k turn did'nt ). I let it slide since #1 he was busted....and #2 we were drinking,lol....beer and x-wings YAY!

My question is....if some one is caught doing such a thing, what is the proper "game" reaction?

Thanks for the help in advance!

pfft.. we make mistakes all the time when we play this game, sometimes your looking at the dial wrong or.. whatever but you do what you plotted on the dial. Next time pay more attention!

but what you described just sounds like flat cheating

It's simple. They must do whatever is on their dial. If they refuse, call over a TO.

Or how about everyone just doesn't cheat? That sounds much better.

Two things: it was a casual game, and there was beer involved. I think trying to rustle up a TO from anywhere would have been a stretch for either of them.

He was intentionally trying to cheat. He should play what he dialed.

Hey once I accidentally flew a tie fighter off the board, but I did nothing to change that. It was my mistake. I was playing on Vassal and my screen is not big enough so I assumed there was more playing space if I just scroll down. I was wrong.

I mean I may let someone slide if they forget to give themselves an action while the activation phase is still going on, but put a foot down once the combat phase begins.

Being new to the game I myself have done some daft moves like dialling in an incorrect direction from time to time. No excuse, I play it as the dial says and accept the consequences.

This guy is attempting to cheat which is just plain daft as far as Im concerned.

Interestingly you called him "neighbour" rather than friend. If it was his first time playing I'd let it slide with a joke or two but if he has played before........

Wheres that pic of Vader and the choke hold...............................

Also, don't have a dial with me. But is the 4 K turn next to the 4 straight?

For units that have both a 4 straight and a 4K, yes it is. And currently there is no ship that has a 4K and not a 4 straight, so... yeah.

For units that have both a 4 straight and a 4K, yes it is.

Thanks I completely forgot to look myself when I got home.

It's simple. They must do whatever is on their dial. If they refuse, call over a TO.

Or how about everyone just doesn't cheat? That sounds much better.

Two things: it was a casual game, and there was beer involved. I think trying to rustle up a TO from anywhere would have been a stretch for either of them.

Well, it's the proper tourney reaction.

In friendly games, I still think you should hold your ground and force him to finish whatever is on the dial. If he refuses, take away his beer.