Well all I know is we'd have 4 times the number of people playing these games if the price point wasn't such a barrier. And by quadruple, I mean 20-25.

And yet, the turnouts for Regionals have exceeded what many of the WOTC miniatures games could ever have done.

If you consider that they're going to charge a tad more for the Decimator gunship in X-wing I'm guessing we see major expansions at around the $50 mark here. I suppose we can hope that this one requires many fewer expansions to play, but I'm also a little put off by the price, in part because I'm sinking so much into X-wing already and there just isn't enough time and opportunity to fully use all of that. Despite the weird stuff the Star Trek Attack Wing players say about things being so slow, I wish we'd have a little more time. There'll be more aces and large ships shaking things up in X-wing before I even get used to wave 4... I haven't even gotten to try my B-wing and HWK ideas fully.

For whatever reason the unpainted squadrons do bug me a bit too for that price point, I guess just because FFG has spoiled us so much with quality for so long. Something about those components, the order disks and such, their plastic I guess, looks a bit off too. Is there any chance what's in the picture at the top is just a render rather than a physical object?

And yet, the turnouts for Regionals have exceeded what many of the WOTC miniatures games could ever have done.

Hell, FFG itself was dumbfounded at the sales figures X-wing has been churning out.

But I don't see 60% greater value...enough for ME to guarantee I will pop in and buy two core sets on release.

60% of $40 is $24.

Rich Man Games, that's what FFG means.

Well all I know is we'd have 4 times the number of people playing these games if the price point wasn't such a barrier. And by quadruple, I mean 20-25.

I'm sorry, why are you here?

Geez, I'm going back to the X-Wing forum. At least there's already a game out to complain about...

Geez, I'm going back to the X-Wing forum. At least there's already a game out to complain about...

^- This. LOL.

Let's not fool ourselves, it is gonna be a very expensive game. If the 100$ starter set looks like much, brace yourself for when the ISD and Home One will come out.

I fully understand the worry of some regarding the price tag. It sucks to see a game you want to play but realistically can't afford without making some sacrifices. Also, how close the release of expensions will be can affect the decision to buy in or not. 100$ every 3-4 months or 100$ every 12 months is not the same.

I will personally buy it as I'm a collector freak that love Star Wars and wargames and have the money to spend for it. But I also know that I would be very angry to know a game like that exist and can't afford it.

I feel for everyone that wants to be able to acquire the game and its expansions and be able to afford to do so ...

I mean, I live in Vegas, and now I am going to have to sacrifice, give up all of the hookers and blow, so I can play this game.

I mean, I live in Vegas, and now I am going to have to sacrifice, give up all of the hookers and blow, so I can play this game.

You say that as if that is a hard choice...

I mean, I live in Vegas, and now I am going to have to sacrifice, give up all of the hookers and blow, so I can play this game.

You say that as if that is a hard choice...

Touche !!!

I do think it is interesting that so many are taking sides whether what comes in the box is worth the prices before anyone has seen in person what comes in the box.

Ah time will tell...

I think $100 for a starter is pretty reasonable assuming we don't have to buy three of them right off the bat.

my original purchase for x-wing looked like this

Starter x2

x-wing x1

y-wing x3

TIE Advanced x3

TIE Fighter x2

What is that like $175

If buying the starter for Armada means I don't need to buy as many expansion (or starters) then it won't really be that expensive. (or more than X-Wing was)

Either way these games are super cheap compared to other miniature games.

And yet, the turnouts for Regionals have exceeded what many of the WOTC miniatures games could ever have done.

Hell, FFG itself was dumbfounded at the sales figures X-wing has been churning out.

It is awesome to know that FFG Understand The STAR WARS Game Universe is sooo much more than a dogfight-fiddle-diddle with a few ships on the board.

But I don't see 60% greater value...enough for ME to guarantee I will pop in and buy two core sets on release.

60% of $40 is $24.

Or 60% of $100 is $60 which is the price difference. So how ever you want to try and do the math, if it is Armada costing 250% of X-wing; or X-Wing costs 40% of Armada ergo that game should contains 60% greater value---The bottom line is Armada is expensive and I do not see the greater cost represented in the gameplay and box content.

Oh, and you can't do basic applied math.

But this is great, I will now say Armada clearly isn't worth 250% of X-Wing because that number gets attention.

Huh, I hadn't thought about how X-wing required more than one core set while this might not depending on how things shake out. I could see wanting to get 2 ISDs at some point depending on how they turn out, but pro'lly not VSDs. The big determinant will be whether they'll have corvette and frigates for individual sale since the Rebels might need more small ships.

I'm not worried about the price. $100 for a starter miniatures game is completely in-line with the other starter games out there, Games Workshop notwithstanding. The new Battletech, Warmahordes, and others all weigh in at $100. Of course, demand for X-wing is overwhelming. Between now and January, I'll set aside $20 per month and I'll be good.

Oh who am I kidding... I'll likely buy 2 sets...

But I don't see 60% greater value...enough for ME to guarantee I will pop in and buy two core sets on release.

60% of $40 is $24.

Or 60% of $100 is $60 which is the price difference. So how ever you want to try and do the math, if it is Armada costing 250% of X-wing; or X-Wing costs 40% of Armada ergo that game should contains 60% greater value---The bottom line is Armada is expensive and I do not see the greater cost represented in the gameplay and box content.

Oh, and you can't do basic applied math.

But this is great, I will now say Armada clearly isn't worth 250% of X-Wing because that number gets attention.

60% greater than 40 is 64. 60% less than 100 is 40. I can't help it math works differently than you think it does.

However, you are correct that 100 is 250% as much as 40*, so yes, you should probably stick with that explanation.

*Not to be confused with 250% more, which would be 140.

Once upon a time, $100 bucks netted 84 figures.

Today however. $100 will get you at most 40 or so cheep models. With a stripped down rule book or in some cases a quick start guide and not the full rules. It's not like the GM or even PP starter sets come with the same quality models that the sell outside the starter... Which is what FFG does.

As much as I love Fleet Captains, it does make me a bit sad about the component quality.

It's not like the GM or even PP starter sets come with the same quality models that the sell outside the starter... Which is what FFG does.

It's been a while since I played Warmachine, but I'm fairly sure that the models in the starter sets are exactly the same as the ones you buy in the expansions, except for some of the warcasters (which are more like special edition minis).

The ships in the X-wing starter come with different cards than the same ships in the expansion, so you could argue that FFG cheaps out on the starter sets too.

At the end of the day, though, mins gaming is not a poor person's hobby, and if I had a nickel for every gamer I heard whining about high prices I'd be able to afford a lot more of these games.

It's been a while since I played Warmachine, but I'm fairly sure that the models in the starter sets are exactly the same as the ones you buy in the expansions, except for some of the warcasters (which are more like special edition minis).

Mine didn't. Plastic warcasters vs pewter. Warjacks don't have any optional parts...

X wing and tie come with different cards not fewer.

When you think about it, how many of us felt obligated to buy another X-Wing starter? Yeah it was a great deal on components and a cheap way to get three additional figures at a better price...

But take a step back here. If the expansions (which will inevitably have the starter kit ships in them) cap around $20 too, is it really going to be cheaper to get another core set instead of the equivalent expansions? And what are you going to be missing from the starter kit that you can't grab from the expansions?

So I predict when it comes down to it the draw for another core set is not going to be as strong as other games.

At the end of the day, though, mins gaming is not a poor person's hobby, and if I had a nickel for every gamer I heard whining about high prices I'd be able to afford a lot more of these games.

Sad but true. If you are short on money, you should avoid miniature gaming or be very selective.

When you think about it, how many of us felt obligated to buy another X-Wing starter? Yeah it was a great deal on components and a cheap way to get three additional figures at a better price...

I didn't, but that's because none of the ships in the core set interested me. I did go out and bought two Interceptors, two Bombers and a second set of dice the day after I played my first game though. Because two TIE's and one X-wing does not make for a lot of fun games. Too quick.

Here's the price for the core set models as I figure it.

Figure the VSD is going to be at least the same size as the Large X-Wing ships, like say 5-6 inches. That put's it at $30-40. Neb looks to be half as big or more. That puts it at 2.5-3 inches long. So figure $20 for that. Y and B's are 2 so $20 seems fair.

The Vette would be smaller so small ship sized, so $15.

Now lets be conservative and call the fighters $2.50 per stand, with 10 of those, that's $25 worth, so...

VSD = $30-40

Neb B = $20

Vette = $15

Fighters = $25

Total in models = $90 - 100

Yeah this stater is soooo over priced.