You don't plan on getting it?

I do not. It doesn't have that combination of qualities that attracted me to X-Wing in the first place, and, being a different game, I can easily pass without feeling I'm missing out on building blocks for my lists.

This may actually be why they developed it, so that people won't have to feel like they HAVE to buy capital ships in order to get certain cards. I know there was some griping regarding the stuff included with the transport and the corvette

Well they will still probably come out with a wave of huge ships for the imperials for a couple of reasons.

1) Is the rebels have two in xwing and it would be a big let down if they didn't give the imperials any

2) If they don't come out with any imperial huge ships then imo and probably many others it'll look like they are giving up on epic play.

Which would not sit well with folks seeing as they spent a lot of money on huge ships only to have no support shortly after release.

In the future I'll predict that they will come or with two huge ships for the imperials and there will be the same old "its not fair thread " and "it's the end of the worlds" threads will pop up for a week or two afterwards "

I'm sure they'll release imperial huge ships, but the variety of huge ships in Epic I would wager won't be as large as the variety of capital ships in Armada.

I am pretty sure we will see two imperial ships coming, but I wonder if they will stop there?

Or

Will the release more and try to make epic play more common?

The problem with it right now is when I have a tantive and transport on the table, I have maybe 4-5 escorts where my opponent comes at me with 8-12 ships and usually 3-4 of them have hlc

If like to see some tweaks and or fixes to the Tantive down the road

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fleet_Battles#Modules

hrm, they lost me at "ten unpainted squadrons". they would have to look **** good unpainted. for the price i'd expect everything finished. for unpainted squadrons they might as well just give me cardboard tokens and save me a couple bucks.

Think I'll skip, at least at first. For me, it is about the lack of time. With X-Wings, I can play a quick game in an hour and then go back to my other activities/obligations. With Armada, each game takes 2+ hrs and I don't think I'll have time for it. Also, given the long estimated time it takes to complete one game of Armada (2+ hrs), I doubt there will be many local tournaments/casual play events at the local FLGS (many X-Wing players I know are also busy with their work). Without local tournaments/casual play events at the local FLGS, the game won't be nearly as fun.

Then, there's also the relatively high price and the unpainted figures (not a big painter/artist myself).

Probably not.

$100 buy in? ****. I never thought I would ever say it. GW has a cheaper buy in. You get more stuff in GW starter sets. ****!

I want minis damit, not counters for that much money being asked.

Being right after Christmas, I just don't know right now. I thought it would be before Christmas not after. Then again, I guess supply could be low so won't make a difference. Demand will pick it up so they should all sell out, unless it's proven it's not a fun game to play.

$100 buy in? ****. I never thought I would ever say it. GW has a cheaper buy in. You get more stuff in GW starter sets. ****!

Ouch. That's... that's just... ouch.

I can't see myself not getting it! I don't have the money. I don't have the time. But I just don't have a good reason not to pick up the starter The biggest detractor would be if everybody in my gaming group said, "Nah. Pass." Then I might think twice.

$100 buy in? ****. I never thought I would ever say it. GW has a cheaper buy in. You get more stuff in GW starter sets. ****!

Heh, not really. Dark Vengeance is $110 and lacks the codex (another $33 to $50, depending on whether your codex has been updated), modelling tools required to assemble your army (plus $35 dollars if you follow GW's advice) and only contains two armies out of their 18 armies, meaning there's a one in nine chance you don't even want to play any of the armies in the box.

No, GW's still king of the entry barrier.

I am not buying it one its too expensive for the core set and I think they broke the meta game in the core set.

hrm, they lost me at "ten unpainted squadrons".

You must not play other mini games. Other starter sets not only requires require you to paint everything, you have put them together first.

Also this is not an expensive starter compared to other companies. FoW 40k even Warmachine is as much and offers less extras.

I plan on getting a starter and a few ships but I won't buy like I do for x-wing.

Yes I will buy it, because I think the dinamic of the game is a Little bit diferent of X-Wing, to get it, greettings.

$100 buy in? ****. I never thought I would ever say it. GW has a cheaper buy in. You get more stuff in GW starter sets. ****!

Heh, not really. Dark Vengeance is $110 and lacks the codex (another $33 to $50, depending on whether your codex has been updated), modelling tools required to assemble your army (plus $35 dollars if you follow GW's advice) and only contains two armies out of their 18 armies, meaning there's a one in nine chance you don't even want to play any of the armies in the box.

No, GW's still king of the entry barrier.

Well yes, but how minis are you getting? A lot, I think 40-50 minis. Yes no codex but you do get the rules though.

Different rule system aside (X-wing is done a few pages, good thing) I basically look at minis. All I see is 3 minis in the box. Yes there is Tie Fighters and X-wings, but I don't want chick lets, I want the full thing. Seeing how now, when I need to buy a new ship, it will be roughly $30 for each new Capital Ship it just seems I am getting less.

Quality wise, I would be getting more, but quantity wise, it seems I am getting less. Knowing now if I want a bigger fleet and the ships are only going to get bigger since we are starting with the smallest ships, I am thinking now $40, $50 or more the ships are going to be bigger so should be costing more, just not so sure now if this is something I want to start again.

Who knows, a Super Star Destroyer can be the size of the Tantive IV or bigger now. Wonder how much that is going to cost.

I guess having a great value seeing the starter set for X-wing, it's just hard to see a starter set costing for Armada.

So I take it the 2 rebel ships would be what $20? So there is $40 right there. $30 for the Destroyer. That is $70. That still leaves $30. So how much for the chiclets? $5? $10? Going to be hard to swallow to buy chicklets when we are almost paying the same price for a nicely painted one. So now we are at $20 for the chicklet fighters. So now we are at $90. Still $10 unaccounted for.

In X-wing we have 3 ships at what $15, so the cost is $45. Then the rest of the contents in the box is free.

Just seems we are paying more for a product now and getting less value. Mind you this will get all thrown out the window if the rules are AWESOME.

Still, I feel like I am getting less. I just expected to get more. My wife would expect me to get more minis for that price.

Well yes, but how minis are you getting? A lot, I think 40-50 minis.

Those mini's are the 40k equivalent of what you get in Armada. You'll need to spend a ton more on models to put together a single list even with that many to start with. Most likely you won't even have enough for a legal list.

Yes no codex but you do get the rules though.

Which does you no good, you can't play without a codex. Hell for the price of a Codex, which adds nothing to your collection, you'll be able to buy 1-2 maybe even 3 Armada expansions.

Quality wise, I would be getting more, but quantity wise, it seems I am getting less.

Dollar wise, you'll spend more on 40k to get to the same retaliative size that you would with Armada. That's just a simple fact, you will spend more on 40k then you will on Armada.

hrm, they lost me at "ten unpainted squadrons".

You must not play other mini games. Other starter sets not only requires require you to paint everything, you have put them together first.

Also this is not an expensive starter compared to other companies. FoW 40k even Warmachine is as much and offers less extras.

I plan on getting a starter and a few ships but I won't buy like I do for x-wing.

FoW is pretty pricey. I have not checked 40K stuff in years. In Fantasy, you get about 80ish models including an impressive griffon model (well when it was first printed anyways). Though GW armies tend to cost more than other games armies, this is mostly due to the armies actually being very large (sometimes hundreds of models), but they actually charge less per ounce of plastic than most other companies. Though the Warmachine starter is one of the best in the industry. It comes with $200 worth of models, a rulebook, and a few extras, for $99.99.

X-Wing is actually one of the most expensive games out there, on a strictly per model basis. The license is probably mostly to blame for this though. Armada is probably also overpriced, and I expect it to be. However without seeing exactly how big and detailed these figures are going to be it is impossible to say 100%.

One thing is for certain though. I will get it on release day .

X-Wing is actually one of the most expensive games out there, on a strictly per model basis.

Sorry but no. I paid $25 for a warjack, and $50-65 for tanks in 40k. So no not even per model is X-Wing the most costly.

Price per list which is the only really meaningful measure, X-Wing is the cheapest game out there.

have not checked 40K stuff in years.

Oh, you should. Just make sure you get your blood pressure checked first.

X-Wing is actually one of the most expensive games out there, on a strictly per model basis.

Sorry but no. I paid $25 for a warjack, and $50-65 for tanks in 40k. So no not even per model is X-Wing the most costly.

Price per list which is the only really meaningful measure, X-Wing is the cheapest game out there.

Havent touched 40K in over 5 years, but I do know that thier tanks usually have at least 10x the mass of a X-Wing small ship. Warjacks 2-3x. For the amount of model you actually get, X-Wing ships cost more. I just built a 100 model Elf army for $500. 100 small base ships would cost me $1,500 and be about the same amount of material.

And even at the list building level there are games cheaper than X-Wing. Malifaux comes to mind, $15 book, poker deck, tape measure, 7-12 models at a price of $40-$60 total and you are ready for tournaments.

But even though I disagree with you (and FFG) on the pricing, I love X-Wing, it is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite minis game and I own dozens of ships. And this is from an almost 20 year miniature gaming background. And also from someone having played everything from classic Battletech, 2nd edition 40K, and Mordhiem, to Infinity, Flames of War, and Dropzone Commander.

I don't care much about the pricing of Armada, FFG products usually give you enough bang for your buck.

It's probably comparable to the first DUST TACTICS edition, which had great value.

Nonetheless I simply dislike huge fleet battles. Moving that much minis is usually a chore and the battles tend to get confusing fast.

Small-skirmish like X-Wing is just better.

hrm, they lost me at "ten unpainted squadrons".

You must not play other mini games. Other starter sets not only requires require you to paint everything, you have put them together first.

Also this is not an expensive starter compared to other companies. FoW 40k even Warmachine is as much and offers less extras.

I plan on getting a starter and a few ships but I won't buy like I do for x-wing.

TomasB has a point though. Pre-painted miniatures is what attracted many people to X-wing in the first place.

$100 buy in? ****. I never thought I would ever say it. GW has a cheaper buy in. You get more stuff in GW starter sets. ****!

Heh, not really. Dark Vengeance is $110 and lacks the codex (another $33 to $50, depending on whether your codex has been updated), modelling tools required to assemble your army (plus $35 dollars if you follow GW's advice) and only contains two armies out of their 18 armies, meaning there's a one in nine chance you don't even want to play any of the armies in the box.

No, GW's still king of the entry barrier.

Well yes, but how minis are you getting? A lot, I think 40-50 minis. Yes no codex but you do get the rules though.

Different rule system aside (X-wing is done a few pages, good thing) I basically look at minis. All I see is 3 minis in the box. Yes there is Tie Fighters and X-wings, but I don't want chick lets, I want the full thing. Seeing how now, when I need to buy a new ship, it will be roughly $30 for each new Capital Ship it just seems I am getting less.

Quality wise, I would be getting more, but quantity wise, it seems I am getting less. Knowing now if I want a bigger fleet and the ships are only going to get bigger since we are starting with the smallest ships, I am thinking now $40, $50 or more the ships are going to be bigger so should be costing more, just not so sure now if this is something I want to start again.

Who knows, a Super Star Destroyer can be the size of the Tantive IV or bigger now. Wonder how much that is going to cost.

I guess having a great value seeing the starter set for X-wing, it's just hard to see a starter set costing for Armada.

So I take it the 2 rebel ships would be what $20? So there is $40 right there. $30 for the Destroyer. That is $70. That still leaves $30. So how much for the chiclets? $5? $10? Going to be hard to swallow to buy chicklets when we are almost paying the same price for a nicely painted one. So now we are at $20 for the chicklet fighters. So now we are at $90. Still $10 unaccounted for.

In X-wing we have 3 ships at what $15, so the cost is $45. Then the rest of the contents in the box is free.

Just seems we are paying more for a product now and getting less value. Mind you this will get all thrown out the window if the rules are AWESOME.

Still, I feel like I am getting less. I just expected to get more. My wife would expect me to get more minis for that price.

Well, yes. You do get more minis in the Dark Vengeance set (GW starter boxes have always been insane value in that regard, as long as you happened to play the armies. It's actually playing the game that gouges your wallet).

As for X-wing... well, technically you pay $5 for the rest of the box, but you're right that this is a pittance compared to the extra $30 in Armada. However, Armada also seems to be giving us a lot more extra's. Those ten fighters alone would fill much of that $30 dollars, judging by how the competition prices them. A set of six tiny fighters for Dystopian Wars costs about $13,50. Ten of them would be $22,50.

That leaves $7,50 for -according to FFG- close to a hundred cards, a new movement tool with plastic pieces incorporated (which would up its production cost) plastic order dials, nine dice and tokens up the wahoo.

Also -and this is just my personal belief- I think that Armada's core set will give more gameplay value than the X-wing's did. The X-wing's core set pretty much required you to buy a second one or crack into expansions as soon as possible. Because on its own, its games were rather short and dull.

X-Wing is actually one of the most expensive games out there, on a strictly per model basis. The license is probably mostly to blame for this though. Armada is probably also overpriced, and I expect it to be. However without seeing exactly how big and detailed these figures are going to be it is impossible to say 100%.

That, and two other major reasons for this: Pre-assembled, pre-painted models (higher production cost) and less models needed to play a game (which means a higher price per model to return the investment).

hrm, they lost me at "ten unpainted squadrons".

You must not play other mini games. Other starter sets not only requires require you to paint everything, you have put them together first.

Also this is not an expensive starter compared to other companies. FoW 40k even Warmachine is as much and offers less extras.

I plan on getting a starter and a few ships but I won't buy like I do for x-wing.

I had. It is not unreasonable, but neither it is that i am lazy and i don't want to paint miniatures.

And yes, Xwing is expensive if you count your dollars into miniature's kilograms.

If you talk about actual inflation with point cost, the entry barrier is freaking low compared to most miniature games. Hell, it is even funny people are talking about GW in this thread and entry barriers, when the rulebook + codex is already more than 2 core sets.

Yes, I will buy and continue to play both. Looking forward to potentially using X-Winh to determine fighter combat in Armada. =)

i wont buy it

its to pricey ;p

dont like the look of those fighter squadrons

looks like goth fleet from games workshop to me

love x wing to much

and even if i would start with armada. x wing will be the main game to be played iam playin zombicide with my group aswell we with armada it would be to much to handle, 40k, warhammer fantasy, x wing, zombiecide and now armada ;O ? hm nah not in this life

Looks like FFG may still encounter problems with scaling in this game.

It's hard to tell from the pics, but I'd guess the Victory Class Star Destroyer looks to be around 8-10 cms long

-Using the same scale for other models, that would put the standard Imperial class SD in the region of 16-20cms and the Executor class SSD at close to 2 metres in length.

My guess is that FFG are simply not going to bother having the models to the same scale at all.